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  1. I would like some feedback on my proposed distillery floor-plan. I'm somewhat constrained on my building size and due to being partial in a floodplain. The building will be a 30ft by 50 ft steel building 20 ft high. The distillery operations will be on 2/3 of the area on a mezzanine about 7 ft up. The remainder of the upper area will be tasting/retail. The lower area will be for the forklift and possibly barrel/tote/supply storage. There will be a 15x30 deck at the rear. Please tell me what you think could be improved or what I may be missing.
  2. No slab yet. I live in a heavily regulated county so I need to have everything on my building permit or they will kill be on submisison fees.
  3. The building will be a new construction 30x50 Steel building. Not even sure how to slope the floor yet but I'll extend the drain for sure. There is a good possability I will have a lot of storage on the slab. But it can;t be anything that needs refrigeration.
  4. Really good questions. I'm actually in a urban/suburban area even though I'll be classified as a Farm Distillery. I have a call into the power company to get an answer on what kind of power is available. I have city water available or I can us a well. The city water will cost me >$20k to tap into due to fees. $11K plus equipment for a water well. But the driller can't guarantee flow rate. So I'm on the fence a little. The other down side of city water is they use that consumption to determine your sewer bill as well. I'm on a tight budget so I have been trying to figure the best method/sources for heating and cooling. Ady advice or recommendations are welcome. I'm in Springfield, VA.
  5. Starting on a shoestring. I may install a mini split HVAC system. Unless another option is available.
  6. Really good questions. I'm actually in a urban/suburban area even though I'll be classified as a Farm Distillery. I have a call into the power company to get an answer on what kind of power is available. I have city water available or I can us a well. The city water will cost me >$20k to tap into due to fees. $11K plus equipment for a water well. But the driller can't guarantee flow rate. So I'm on the fence a little. The other down side of city water is they use that consumption to determine your sewer bill as well. I'm on a tight budget so I have been trying to figure the best method/sources for heating and cooling. Ady advice or recommendations are welcome. I'm in Springfield, VA.
  7. What are the minimum walls I need in the production areas? Just a mechanical room? And maybe a boiler room? What around a locked storage area? I'll pick up more fermenters as production increases.
  8. For a small distillery what kind of electrical would you suggest? 4-220V in strategic locations and 110 around the perimeter? Each still will need a 220V. Maybe I'll switch to a tank water heater. I had a on-demand before for a restaurant and it was pretty handy and saved a lot of space.
  9. Thanks. I'll pick up more once business picks up.
  10. Thanks Tom. I'll increase to 7x7 or so and make the two bathrooms the same. I'll talk to the county to see if I can collect graywater to handle the non-sewage drains. The building itself is 20 ft but there is a raised mezzanine due to the floodplain. On the second level the roof will have a 4/14 pitch so I should have 16ft or so clearance in the center. The two fermenters for now are beasue I'll have probably have one large still and one small one but that could change and I'll keep it in mind. What do you mean about electrical access? Should I put it over near the entrance? Others have mentioned removing walls so I'm thinking of just having one large storage closet but I'm not sure of the security requirements for the finished product area. I'll also look at adding another door to the production area. I'm considering leavign the interior door for production employees and the deck out back for customer access since I need ADA ramps anyhow..
  11. Sewer Limitations due to IPC/Regulations

    I'm starting to think I'll have to use most of my DFUs for the two ADA bathrooms and route the rest of the water to a greywater collection system.
  12. I've been working on my distillery floor-plan and I just discovered a serious constraint due to local regulations. Because I will be running a house and distillery accessory structure off a sewer lateral I will be limited to 10 "drainage fixture units". So pretty much limited to one accessory structure for any real work other than storage. I want to be able to have a distillery and tasting room. So, can I get away with one bathroom? What is the minimum for the rest in terms of faucets and drains? Any clever thoughts or examples? Maybe collect all the gray water and just drain black water? I would think a a minimum: (5dfu) Bathroom group consisting of water closet, lavatory, and shower, including or excluding a bidet, an emergency floor drain, or both. (1.6 gpf water closet) (2 dfu) floor drain/floor sink (2 dfu) double sink (1 DFU) two waterless urinals Type of Fixture or Group of Fixtures Based on the 2006 International Plumbing Code Fixture Units Automatic clothes washer, commercial 3 Automatic clothes washer, residential 2 Bathroom group consisting of water closet, lavatory, bathtub or shower, including or excluding a bidet, an emergency floor drain, or both. (1.6 gpf water closet) 5 Bathroom group consisting of water closet, lavatory, bathtub or shower, including or excluding a bidet, an emergency floor drain, or both. (greater than 1.6 gpf water closet) 6 Bathtub (with or without overhead shower) 2 Bidet 1 Combination sink-and-tray 2 Dental unit or cuspidor 1 Dental lavatory 1 Drinking fountain 0.5 Dishwasher, domestic 2 Floor drains 2 Kitchen sink, domestic 2 Kitchen sink, domestic, with food waste grinder and/or dishwasher 2 Lavatory 1 Laundry tray (1 or 2 compartments) 2 Shower 2 Service sink 2 Sink 2 Urinal 4 Urinal, 1 gallon per flush or less 2 Urinal, waterless 0.5 Wash Sink (circular or multiple) each set of faucets 2 Water closet, flushometer tank, public or private 4 Water closet, private (1.6 gpf) 3 Water closet, private (flushing greater than 1.6 gpf) 4 Water closet, public (1.6 gpf) 4 Water closet, public (flushing greater than 1.6 gpf) 6 Fixture drain or trap size: 1¼" 1 1½" 2 2" 3 2½" 4 3" 5 4" 6
  13. Who pays for liquor store shelf space?

    To add to the complexity of this issue, each state regulates the three tiers (alcohol production/import , distribution and retail) differently. And there has been a lot of deregulation to let smaller players into the market so the barriers are dropping in limited ways. In virginia a "limited" distillery can act in all three tiers for their own products in limited ways. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-tier_system_(alcohol_distribution)
  14. DYE China?

    What kind of setup did you order?
  15. So it's starting to look the the best location for the DSP on my land is down my private gravel road, across a creek and up a hill. In bad weather it may be difficult to reach. I don't see anything specific about DSP access in 26 U.S. Code § 5178 but it does say "The Secretary shall prescribe such regulations relating to the location, construction, arrangement, and protection of distilled spirits plants as he deems necessary ". Anyone know of any issue of accessing a DSP via a trail or across a creek?
  16. DSP Site Access Requirements?

    Tom - We are starting pretty small (100 gal stills) and we'll start with Rum and ethnic specialty spirits. The gravel road is about 600 ft long. Up to this point I've been looking at siting the DSP next to the road but that site presents a lot of hurdles : floodplain regs, foundation to bring first floor above floodplain, constrained building area, etc. Pretty much once we have the small building but there we could not do any additions. The site down the gravel road has issues like accessing the last 100 ft and utilities. But the cost is a bit of a wash because the cost of running the utilities is less than the cost of raising the foundation 2 ft above the floodplain. The gravel road site also allows for no constraints on growth. The alternative route may be to build a super tiny distillery near the road and a builder building down the gravel road for storage and move operations if things take off. Whiskey: We won't know for sure until we submit for permits but in my state agricultural buildings are exempt from the fire code. If I was rolling in dough or if the distillery does well then there is actually a 30" watermain all along the gravel road site.
  17. I'm looking for suggestions for a good starter still. Something we can use to start production and complete TTB permitting then shift it to use as a bench still for recipe development in the future. Something flexible to produce whiskey, gin and vodka.
  18. Hello, I am in the process of opening a distillery in Fairfax County, Virginia. The County Board is looking at revising our Zoning for "Farm Distilleries" amid concerns of excessive road traffic. Please help us by completing this short survey. I will be presenting this to the County government next week. Please paste and respond to these questions here or take the online survey here: https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/H6ZR6LT What is the name of your distillery? Is your distillery located in a rural, suburban or urban area? Do you consider yourself a "Farm Distillery"? How many visitors do you receive per day on average? (weekday/weekend) Do you hold special events or festivals on site? If so, how many guests typically attend? What are your weekday hours? What are your weekend hours? How many non-employee cars are typically parked at your distillery? (normal /special event) How far is the closest neighboring house from your distillery? Does your site also feature a winery or distillery? Thank you, Trevor
  19. Plastic Fermenting Tanks

    Does anyone have experience using plastic fermenting tanks? If so what are the pros/cons beyond price? Anyone know the company that makes them?
  20. Plastic Fermenting Tanks

    Catoctin Creek https://catoctincreekdistilling.com/
  21. I'm working to open a farm distillery in Virginia and so far the best option I've found for a still on my budget is a 450L/120 gallon copper alembic (http://www.copper-alembic.com/en/soldered-copper-moonshine-alembic-stills/450-l-soldered-copper-moonshine-alembic-still-premium). What heat sources are good options? The manufacturer sells something that looks like a big Bunsen burner and no BTU output is listed. The picture below shows a heat box/ stove. I've read threads that mention immersion heaters. What are some good, cost effective choices?
  22. (Direct) Heat Source for 120 Gallon Alembic?

    Southernhighland - I've pondered issues distilling on the grain. Last month I visited the company that makes the stills. The guy we talked too made it sound like adding a sieve plate to the bottom of the still would solve any issues. But I just picture myself trying to scrape burnt muck out from the bottom of the still. mendodistilling- Do you have any links to the DISCUS discussions? From talking with the still manufacturer, they don't really do those kind of mods anymore. I've pondered hiring a welder to add a flange to work with dairy fittings. Seems do-able. So far no luck finding someone who works with copper. Thanks for the great information!
  23. (Direct) Heat Source for 120 Gallon Alembic?

    Well, I'm setting up a farm distillery about 5 miles from the George Washington distillery. They use wood to hear their stills. And there are endless examples of US distilleries using direct heat and oil bath heat. Col. Vaugh Wilson (http://coppermoonshinestills.com/) and Joeseph Dehner (http://www.dehnerdistillery.com/) both suggested oil bath too. Plus all the previous discussions on the topic. http://adiforums.com/index.php?/topic/1267-direct-flame-fired-stills/ As far as compliance, I'll have to propose design and see how they respond. It's a bit of a grey area since I'm setting up a farm distillery and "Nonresidential farm structures" are exempt from state fire code. I plan to walk my proposed distillery layout by the local fire marshal.
  24. (Direct) Heat Source for 120 Gallon Alembic?

    If anyone on this group has one of the "Iberian Coppers (copper-alembic.com) stills, I'm trying to interpret the dimensions without luck. For the 450L model, what is the still diameter? From the dimensions I would assume 1280mm but emailing them directly they said they don;t know because they don;t have one on hand. The website says 1980 mm x 2100 mm x 1280 mm overall.
  25. (Direct) Heat Source for 120 Gallon Alembic?

    Any recommendations on names of companies that make powerful enough electric heaters for this purpose and maybe product numbers? I'm also looking at building a bath heater/bain marie. It's an attractive option. A copper tub big enough seem cost prohibitive but I would think bi-metellac/galvanic corrosion would be a problem if the outer container is galvanized or stainless steel. Anyone with experience?
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