Werner Distilling Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 Is it required to get formula approval for spiced rum aged in a used barrel? Or does that fall under industry standard practices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denver Distiller Posted November 29, 2012 Share Posted November 29, 2012 You'll need a formula approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Distilling Posted November 29, 2012 Author Share Posted November 29, 2012 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmdistilling Posted December 5, 2012 Share Posted December 5, 2012 if you want to make sure http://www.ttb.gov/tutorials/ic2007-4_help.shtml use the drop down menus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipk99 Posted June 26, 2013 Share Posted June 26, 2013 Do I read the TTB site right that a Rum formula is only needed if harmless color/flavor/blends are used (so for a spiced rum)? So a straight up distilled rum doesn't need a formula? What about a distilled rum that is blended with another distilled rum (sourced from another distillery)? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Coast Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 tipk99, no formula for a straight up rum. I would read this for blending 19.326 Mingling or blending of spirits for further storage. http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?c=ecfr&rgn=div5&view=text&node=27:1.0.1.1.15&idno=27#27:1.0.1.1.15.13.193 Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipk99 Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Wow, thanks Todd... so that means I can't buy Rum from California and Texas (I'm totally making that up) and blend them for bottling or storage? Nor can I mix something I produce with something from another state... weird. Any logic I'm missing there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palmetto Coast Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 Actually I may have inadvertently sent the wrong code. Of course you can do that. Some companies sell product specifically for that purpose. I would need to go back to the codes and look. Read around that area (19.34-something) regarding receiving spirits in bond and processing. A well placed call to the TTB may also be warranted for clarification. Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipk99 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I re-read what you had posted above, and there is an exception for Brandy and Rum in section e that appears to have no restrictions for blending to perfect them according to commercial standards... so it looks like you can blend some of your own production with something brought in house. Thanks Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Distilling Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 I got my formula approval and it was classified as a distilled spirits specialty. I presume because of the used barrel part. I find it very frustrating that the standards of. Identity for rum are wide open until it gets to the ttb and someone there makes up his own rules or is there another set of rules somewhere else buried in some other section? I don't like wasting time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehner Distillery Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 It's not the barrel it's the spices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Distilling Posted September 16, 2013 Author Share Posted September 16, 2013 No spices, just rum in a used bourbon barrel. No word back yet. Its a mildly frustrating issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Posted September 16, 2013 Share Posted September 16, 2013 All Bacardi rum is aged in used bourbon barrels. That being said , they may very well have submitted a formula therein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Werner Distilling Posted September 17, 2013 Author Share Posted September 17, 2013 Sorry for the confusion, I hijacked my own thread. Between when I started this thread and got to the actual approval I had changed to just a regular rum aged in used bourbon barrels. It got approved, but as a distilled specialty product, and I was required to. Remove "Rum" from the label and to put the statement "rum aged in used bourbon barrels" on the label. So, if its a new barrel with rum, would that fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tipk99 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 I thought a formula wasn't required for regular old rum... unless you are adding flavorings... and I'm pretty sure aging in used bourbon barrels is the "standard" way to age rum. Seems odd - although I have no real experience to draw on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leftturndistilling Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It seem that the way the ttb works is if you ask them for something you don't need they'll give you something you don't need...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefedgardo Posted June 12, 2014 Share Posted June 12, 2014 I am working with rum for the first time. So if I age in new barrels will I have to summit a formula as well. Or only apply for used bourbon barrels? Also should I filtrated it true active carbon ? Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stillwagon Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Formula approval is required. Carbon filtration is optional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chefedgardo Posted June 21, 2014 Share Posted June 21, 2014 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehner Distillery Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 use the formula approval tool at the ttbs website. you should not need a formula. I have a "black rum" I just submitted a label. and got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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