Silk City Distillers Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Anyone using a filter press for dewatering after on-grain distillation? If so, what maker and your thoughts on how effective it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonnyk Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 We use a De-Cant Hopper which is self dumping. I think the company is IDS. It works great. PM me for details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afilters Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I am working on this type of application now. I am doing free trials for customers that are interested. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ertelalsop Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 We are currently manufacturing and selling dewatering Mash filters into the distilled spirits market. We've produced spent grain filter cakes with moisture content as low as 20%! This can reduce hauling costs, reduce bacterial growth for longer storage (feed), and can reclaim up to 40% of the water for reuse or recycling. If you would like to discuss feel free to give us a call 845-331-4552 ext. 104 and ask for Scott! www.ErtelAlsop.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeekSpirits Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Really interesting piece of equipment. Whats the price? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McKee Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Don't use a press. Way too inefficient. Look at the Liquid Solid Separator that Russell Finex offers. There are a lot of craft distilleries using them now and they all swear by it. Cheers, McKee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3d0g Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Look at the Liquid Solid Separator that Russell Finex offers. There are a lot of craft distilleries using them now and they all swear by it. Or swear at it. I've seen some pretty miserable results from the Finex gear. Make them give you an eval unit and see if it will work on your stillage before dropping cash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John McKee Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 3d0g, That sucks, sorry to hear you had a hard time. Were they able to successfully resolve it for you? I know one distillery that's pushing 5000g stillage per day through a unit and they reported some initial issues but got it resolved pretty quick. Cheers, McKee 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk City Distillers Posted November 21, 2015 Author Share Posted November 21, 2015 Talked to the guys at Vincent Corporation a few months back, they make some smaller dewatering screw presses. They will rent out a trial unit, which I thought was a good idea, or you can ship down a drum for them to try out. It's a different dewatering approach, as an LSS is a decanter centrifuge and the Vincent CP units are screw presses. However, they were very concerned about dewatering effectiveness post-distillation, and even they thought the centrifuge would be the right approach. If you could make an LSS half the size, and for half the cost, you'd own the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehner Distillery Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 What is the current cost? And how much will it process per hour? or how ever they are rated.. thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshGreenDoor Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Russell Finex we just got a price update. $37,000 with a price increase coming in Feb. Really...... we laughed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3d0g Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Russell Finex we just got a price update. $37,000 with a price increase coming in Feb. Really...... we laughed. Shame really. When I talked to them at ADI last year, I suggested they needed to come up with a scaled down version for the craft spirits market and they said they were working on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk City Distillers Posted January 23, 2016 Author Share Posted January 23, 2016 After thinking about this, it's a pipe dream I think, I don't see how they can make a smaller unit that will cost considerably less. A unit half the size won't likely cost half as much, and even if it did, lets face it, a $20k entry point is still high. If you have a way to deal with wet waste today, the ROI is probably going to be low. A possible cost reduction strategy is to use a non-sanitary design for separation of stillage post-distillation. I've got to imagine a good portion of the Finex cost is due to the fact that it's designed for food contact, not waste handling. With a larger grind (not flour) - the other alternative is a screw press - I've gotten quotes for craft-sized equipment out of Alibaba around $6,500 less freight. I think the Vincent units I mentioned above go for around $10k. Pretty sure they'll put their money where their mouth is when it comes to performance too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distiller76 Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 For what it's worth, I'm running a Russel Finnex L.S.S, I wouldn't be able to run the volume that I am without it. I had a couple issues in the very beginning with screens tearing, But these guys were great to work with and had my problem sorted out pretty quick. I'm running 15,000 gallons a week through it with zero issues. I'd recommend it to anyone. If anyone would like to come out and see it run, I'd be happy to have you in Fridgid ass Wisconsin. Nik 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afilters Posted February 2, 2016 Share Posted February 2, 2016 I'm a little late on this but thought I would throw in my two cents. I was recently at one of my customers in Tennessee that has a Russel. They are very unsatisfied with it. Have broken multiple screens, etc. They also told me they have no local rep for the product line so getting technical advice is also a challenge. If anyone wants to discuss options for this application, I would be glad to help. Thanks, Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardKay Posted April 8, 2016 Share Posted April 8, 2016 Reading through this discussion I would like to add a small comment (justification!) for using the Russell Liquid Solid Separator for dewatering the spent grains. It is a semi-automatic system requiring minimal setup and operator involvement and we have many examples all over the world where customers have benefited from installing them in their process. It cleans up the mash really well, removing most of the water out of the grains (it will get the liquid cleaner than screw presses and is cheaper to run than screw press or evaporator technology). In the early days we did have a few problems with premature failures on the mesh sleeves but this was due to incorrect selection of mesh sleeve - this is resolved now. We have seen that with those producing larger batches or with multiple stills, the return on investment can be as short as 6 months. In terms of smaller/startup distilleries we have a range of vibratory sieves which are also suitable for this task. It won't be as fast or efficient as the Liquid Solid Separator in removing spent grains, but for a lower budget solution, prices starting from around $5K. We have our US head office in Charlotte NC (complete with stock machines, parts and test units) and a network of sales support managers and reps across the US so we can support the US market very well. You can also view another video of Russell's Liquid Solid Separator in action, separating Corn Mash http://www.russellfinex.com/en/demonstr ... corn-mash/. If anyone wants to talk more about this please do not hesitate to contact us Toll Free: 800 849 9808 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehner Distillery Posted April 11, 2016 Share Posted April 11, 2016 For what it's worth, I'm running a Russel Finnex L.S.S, I wouldn't be able to run the volume that I am without it. I had a couple issues in the very beginning with screens tearing, But these guys were great to work with and had my problem sorted out pretty quick. I'm running 15,000 gallons a week through it with zero issues. I'd recommend it to anyone. If anyone would like to come out and see it run, I'd be happy to have you in Fridgid ass Wisconsin. Nik I would love to see the unit in person. Where are you located? Is there a number I could reach you at? Would you let me take pics of it? thanks!! joseph d. 515-559-4879 joseph@dehnerdistillery.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afilters Posted April 18, 2016 Share Posted April 18, 2016 Lets be honest here, none of the screen technologies are going to offer a dewatered cake like the filter press mentioned above..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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