docpepe Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Hey everyone, Has anyone ever tried to get a formula approved with the herb Meadowsweet (latin name Filipendula ulmaria)? I'm experiencing a lot of difficulty with my TTB officer at the moment. I know of multiple products that list meadowsweet right on the bottle/label, so I'm curious if anyone has any ideas why they want to deny me use of this herb. I've gone through three rounds of formula corrections all coming back negative. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattabv Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 Meadowsweet was used in both England and Scandinavian countries to flavor alcohol. In the middle ages it was called meadwort for its use in mead. Stick with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk City Distillers Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 GRAS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdunbar Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 What does TTB say the issue is? Silk City's suggestion that it is a GRAS matter seems likely. I did a Google Search and found an USDA website, https://npgsweb.ars-grin.gov/gringlobal/taxonomydetail.aspx?17105, which contained the following: Common names: meadowsweet (Source: Dict Gard) - English queen-of-the-meadow (Source: World Econ Pl) - English älggräs (Source: Vara kulturvaxt namn) - Swedish xuan guo wen zi cao (Source: F ChinaEng) - Transcribed Chinese Economic Importance: Food additives: flavoring (fide HerbSpices) Environmental: ornamental (fide Dict Gard; Hortus 3) Medicines: folklore (fide CRC MedHerbs ed2; Herbs Commerce ed2) The site contains a long list of references that I am not about to read. But, If the issue with TTB is whether meadowsweet has the FDA's blessing for use in foods, you are going to have to demonstrate it does, so you might want to crack those books. If you want to use "exotic" ingredients, be prepared to fight for them. TTB rightfully has concerns about what people put into spirits. Outright poisons in spirits were, in fact, one of the driving forces behind the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906, the government's first foray into regulating ingredients in food and drug products. That also is how it became illegal to sell spirits in quantities of more than one gallon to persons not specifically authorized to possess bulk spirits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterpocket Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 I cannot find a GRAS listing for it...prob why it's being rejected. Lots of things are permitted in Euro liqueurs that are not in US... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micah Nutt Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Most likely, I would surmise, the FDA considers Meadowsweet a toxin, a carcinogen, etc. Check with the FDA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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