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  1. Would you consider selling to rotary table separately? What are the specs on the labeler?
  2. We've made a few changes to our process and no longer need the mash cooler we've been using for nearly the past decade. There are no issues with the cooler and it does a fine job cooling. I've attached the tech drawings and will update with pictures once we get it pulled from our facility. We have some extra gaskets that will come with the cooler as well. The mash cooler was specced out as follows: Mash in: 100GPM @ 145F Cooling Water in: 245GPM @ 50F Mash out: 100GPM @ 68F Cooling Water out: 245GPM @ 80F Asking 35K FOB OBO, please shoot me a message if you have any questions. Cost of a new unit would be north of +55k. Thanks! 2007 14P.pdf 2007 14PshtT2.pdf 2007 14PshtT3.pdf
  3. It's been a while since I took my class, but I seem to remember the above applying ONLY if the confined space is not vertical entry. So if you're monitoring the air and something goes south, or your attendant notices the entrant acting funny they can get the entrant out without exposing themselves to the hazardous atmosphere. The only situation that is feasible is if the attendant can pull the entrant out, which is not possible with vertical entry and is why it requires a permit as well as equipment to necessitate a safe and timely extraction. I definitely recommend taking a class on confined space, it will clear a lot of things up. It is also not something to screw around with, as if something does happen and you aren't following safety protocol, you are not only going to kill yourself but likely the person that finds you. A class is well worth the couple hundred bucks it will cost, and many places have confined space attendants you can hire out for the day (they have monitoring and extraction equipment too) which makes way more sense if you're cleaning infrequently.
  4. Jesse, We've had good luck aging bourbon at 43N. We typically see temperatures down to -5F in the warehouse (~-20 outside), and temperatures up to 135F (~100F outside) in the tops of our warehouses during the summer. I wouldn't necessarily call it better or worse than aging in KY or other southern states, but it is certainly different. My biggest suggestion is to track your flavor profile throughout the temperature regime it will see in the barrels, because in our experience it can change quite noticeably. That being said, I think aging in a non climate controlled warehouse will really speak to the terroir of your region. Just so you know I'm not making things up, we have nearly 7000 barrels in storage, ranging from fresh fills to 8ish years old. Shoot me a PM if you have any more questions. -Sam
  5. Lorenzo,

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  6. I was just going off this. Direct Injection is a better use of heat, heat exchangers are a better use of water and treatment chemicals. Those costs pale in comparison to heating costs. Capital investments will look like a drop in the bucket compared to running the place for 5 years. One thing I overlooked with the comment is the size of the vessel being heated. At ~250 gallons I doubt you'd see much if any difference between the two. It looks like you guys are running ~250-500 gallon runs so it may not work well there either. Once you start going big though, jacketed vessels aren't going to compete due to volume:surface area.
  7. Shouldn't be a problem giving it to the farmer/rancher wet. Our cows love the stuff. You will need to get rid of it fairly quickly if it's wet, I find it starts to get funky in ~2-3 days. Only thing to watch is the temperature, we've has cows horse around (?) and fall in the hot mash, burning themselves in the process.
  8. Roughly 5% of our bottles cost (excluding FET/SET) is spent on bottling labor. This is with about a dozen temps, working 8 hours days, bottling roughly 720 4.5L cases/day.
  9. I would respectfully disagree. DIS is going to transfer heat more efficiently than a jacketed system, which means you can get to temps more quickly. Time is money, especially once you start scaling up. Steam is certainly going to be safer than an open flame, provided you are using and maintaining your equipment properly.
  10. Vessel sizes are fine. We've gotten samples back from the mash coming straight out of the cook. We use a grain to water ratio of roughly 3:1 ratio. This size operation I'd assume you'd want to run either 3" or 4" pipe, I certainly wouldn't go smaller than that. I imagine a big plant would be crashing the cook temps from ~140 to fermenting temperature with a once through tube and shell exchanger. Through a 3" line, the apparent viscosity of our mash is 7.2cP @ 140F, and 15cP @ 80F Through a 4" line, the apparent viscosity of our mash is 13cP @ 140F, and 35cP @ 80F I don't think 4 hour cook times are achievable with that volume without DIS. For reference, our runs are 2500 gallons, (1/5 your size) and with DIS we can run it up to 200F in about 2.5-3 hours. You can cut down on that time if you are able to recycle some of your heat from other processes. I would run a central top mixer with props and run CIP spray on either side. CIP spray balls (the size I'm familiar with anyway), won't be getting that thing clean if you're only using one and running about 14' diameter. It also eliminates a number of problems that running from the bottom induces. You can run without a grist hydrator without a problem as long as you're careful with you pH and temps, but I imagine it's a worthwhile time saving investment.
  11. Sorry about that, if anyone needs pictures PM me your e-mail and I'll send you the photos.
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