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    Water Handling Process and Tanks

    Thanks for the replies. C&D guys are putting together a design recommendation for me. They agree that poly tanks should work. Sent them my dimensioned floor-space diagrams including the potential for a yard-space located tank to get a final recommendation and quote. We are talking an insulated cold water tank kept around 60 degrees by the glycol chiller with a heat-exchange loop, and a non-insulated condenser return tank to cool-down over night and be returned to the cold water tank in the morning to charge for the next run. Maybe an outside fan-only heat exchange loop for the hot water to boost cooling capacity at night. Then there is the mash water. I am thinking I need a separate tank for that as my mash water condition and my water for tank chilling are going to have different properties. Am I wrong there? Good point about the capacity of the tankless water heater. Maybe I should just start out like a normal guy and heat my mash water in the mash tun to strike temp, start the agitator and add grains. One distiller I know says he saves time and gets more extraction and flavor by simultaneously filling the mash tun with 120 degree mash water and the grain bill and then heating to mash temp. Probably as many ways to do this as there are notes on a piano.
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    Water Handling Process and Tanks

    Saving water is critical in my neck of the wood-less woods. Of course we also want to design-in efficiency for time and energy use heating and cooling water. So, need some help/advice for the following: Considering using a tankless water heater pulling from a source tank of pre-filtered, pre-conditioned water to pre-heat mash water to 110 to 120 degrees. This then saves steam boiler time to heat to mashing temps. Considering a return tank to store heated condenser water. This heated water can be used for the CIP process, with the remainder cooled down overnight to return to the cold water tank that is the source water for chilling kept at chilled temp by the glycol chiller. So I am talking about three water tanks... one for the chilled water, one for the hot water return from the condenser and one for the pre-filtered conditioned water going to the tankless water heater for the mash water. The chilled water tank I am considering is poly - double-walled / insulated. I am thinking that the other two tanks need to be stainless because of the heat of the return water, and opportunity for plastic notes in the filtered/conditioned water. Interested in any comments, advice related to this. Thanks!
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    Finding the right facility

    I think distance from ??? is a state and local issue. California is 600 ft from schools and churches. But even that is subject to review and exception.
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    fire code, sprinklers and building classification questions

    Old topic, but here is a good read that answers most if not all of these questions... http://www.oregon.gov/bcd/codes-stand/Documents/interp-15-02-craftdistillery.pdf
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    Sunlight and Barrel Storage

    I am closing in on selecting a property for a startup craft distillery in Northern CA. The favorite one is two buildings on a single commercial lot. One would be the barrel storage building the other would house the distillery operations. The barrel storage building is brick surrounded with windows (see the attached image). I assume the precious liquid within would not be impacts by getting hit with sunlight through these windows, but wanted to get some feedback from anyone with knowledge on this. Thanks!
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    Finding the right facility

    I make those 504 loans in CA, Nevada and Arizona. You are correct that it would be 10% or 15% down and it will also be lower interest than would a conventional bank loan if you could find one. One thing about the 504 though, is that it is not for startups... although startups are eligible. Generally for a startup to qualify you would need more down and possibly need to pledge assets like a home as collateral. The SBA 504 can also be used for equipment loans. The size of the total project financed can be $10 million or more. However, the most important thing is a really good plan with well done financial projections and assumptions. Look up "Certified Development Company" in your area and talk to a CDC loan officer to help you out. There is another SBA project called the 7a that banks participate in. These can provide real estate loans, equipment loans, working capital. Lastly, there is the Community Advantage loan. CDCs provide those and they can go as high as $250k. That product is a good one to consider for equipment financing. You would probably need to put down 20-25% if unsecured, but the terms would be much better than using 10-20 credit cards. The bottom line is that there is financial help out there if you have your act together.