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About Thatch

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    Brunswick, Ohio
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    Golf, Sci Fi novels craft malt and craft spirits
  1. Ohio allows us to sell two 750ml bottles per person per day from the tasting room. We can also sell directly to restaurants and bars. But, we cannot sell directly to retailers that sell bottles, this must come from a state warehouse to the retailer.
  2. Thatch

    What is adequate ventilation? 

    Thanks Silk The disagreement started before the post but I am not being difficult about it. Frankly if the costs are not a lot more going their way I am going to drop the issue. You are correct, they do not have a grasp. The first problem came when they said that two still equaled 250 gallons thereby exceeding our MAQ.
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    What is adequate ventilation? 

    Thanks guys, The input is terrific. A special shout out to Silk for talking engineer, to Bluestar for making me think about spill control and to Tim for letting me know that others have had the same issues we are currently trying to tackle. For the next guy that has to go down this path I offer some additional information. Consult the International Mechanical code. Although section 502.8.1.1 tells us how much air exchange is necessary in an area of hazardous vapors, both 502.9.5.2 as well as 502.9.5.4 say that 502.8.1.1 is only applicable if the MAQ is EXCEEDED.
  4. Thatch

    What is adequate ventilation? 

    We are doing a build out of a distillery that will occupy approximately 600 sq feet within a 13,000 sq foot building that is F-1 occupancy. The consulting engineers believe we need to classify the area which then kicks in special placement and sealing of electrical services. I have found several tidbits on the web that tell me this is not true as long as adequate ventilation is present. From reading various items it seems that adequate ventilation means 6 air changes per hour, or 1 CFM per square foot of floor area used for storage. The requirement is to keep the vapor concentration from exceeding 25% of the Lower Flammable Limit. This is new building and the air exchange would be around 3200 cfm. We have sprinklers throughout and will not exceed 240 gallons of storage, which is our MAQ. The total square footage of storage space will be approximately 30 square feet. All storage will be done in 55 gallon stainless steel barrels. There are no walls within the 13,000 square feet. We will have two 125 gallon electric stills. From both a code stand point as well as a “real life” safety stand point I do not think we need to be classified. One of the points the consulting engineers bring up is: How can we determine there will be no pooling of the vapors that would exceed 25% of the LFL? My first thought is to run a floor fan 24/7/365 to disperse any potential pooling but if there is another common sense approach I’d like to hear it. Any ideas of how not to be classified are appreciated
  5. Hi Dave,

    With regard to your question:  Out of curiosity, I'd be interested in knowing if this sort of compendium, of the various sections, into one place, is of interest to those of you who operate distilled spirits plants? Would it be useful, for example, to have, in one place, a description of all of the information you need to know if you are bottling bourbon, making bitters, using wine as a flavoring agent, etc?  Does  it answer a need?  And would you pay for that, say, in the form of an online tutorial, from which you could pick, like items off a menu,. as need?  Would, for example, a discussion of vodka be worth $30, one of bourbon $40, and TTB's stance on GRAS,,  something else?  Would an all access option be attractive?  

    Anything that makes life easier for us we would be willing to pay for.

    Tom Thatcher - West Branch Malts

  6. Thatch

    How do you sell your spirits?

    Thanks Silk, You, Paul and Nabtastic have given me a great outline to follow. Cheers!
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    How do you sell your spirits?

    Thanks nabtastic, I appreciate you taking the time to write. Sounds like great advice which I will use.
  8. Thatch

    New Application TTB consultation

    Ditto and we had one that required some heavy lifting on his part. Former TTB, often quoted on this forum.
  9. Thatch

    Glycol Systems

    If you have a lake or well to draw from for your water source then water will be less expensive. We are in Northern Ohio and we would be paying both the water and sewer charges to cool our equipment which made glycol the best bet. You haven't said anything about the size of your equipment but since you are asking the question I am assuming it is pretty good size. For sizing you will need to tell us what you want to cool and then Mike from MG Thermal who frequents this forum would likely be able to tell you what's best. Another thing to keep in mind is the summer vs winter temp of your water. We get ours from Lake Erie and in the dead of Winter it is 40 degrees but in the Summer it can get as high a 75 degrees which may not be low enough depending on what you are doing. Cheers
  10. Thatch

    How do you sell your spirits?

    Thanks Paul, Seems like good advice in any country.
  11. Hi all, We are just starting up in Ohio. Ohio allows little guys to do sales and self distribution. Any comments you might have on how/when to approach a bar owner/manager or liquor store owner/manager would be greatly appreciated. I’m looking for do’s and don’ts. Cheers
  12. Thatch

    Tamp Label Applicator

    I don't know a thing about this specific applicator but I have designed many label applicators in my previous life. Based on your description of the bottle as a "flask" I would think there is a high point that the applicator pad would touch and then retract. This would not seal the label completely to the bottle. What would be better is something called a tamp/blow that would touch the bottle, release its suction (the label is held in place by suction) and then blow the edges of the label down.
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    ditto. They have insured many breweries and distilleries. This is their find an agency page. Just type in your zip code. https://www.cinfin.com/find-agency?&gclid=CjwKCAiA8bnUBRA-EiwAc0hZk0yQEawNUi5d6W3xEs8lejSZVhlDUPY7wk45zBbwBmLI2L0hE8jE7xoCX9UQAvD_BwE
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    Auger installation

    Agricultural millwrights, where are you located?
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    Plastic vs Stainless tanks