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  1. Thatch
    Correct!
  2. Thatch
    We are F-1/S-1. We are newer construction with proper ventilation and sprinkled. I approached our AHJ's about an increase beyond our 240 gallon MAQ. We are now allowed almost 900 gallons as a phase one based on the new code.
  3. Thatch
    We are F-1/S-1. We are newer construction with proper ventilation and sprinkled. Based on another thread on this forum I approached our AHJ's about an increase beyond our 240 gallon MAQ. We are now allowed almost 900 gallons as a phase one based on the information contained in these documents. The 2021 IBC 307.1.1 notes 18 &19 state that distilleries should follow the 2021 IFC regulations. Chapter 40 of the 2021 IFC is a new chapter that was added. It clearly states the rules that distilleries should follow. In this chapter it states that the chapters 50 and 57 of the 2021 IFC do not apply to spirits stored in barrels.
  4. Thatch
    Has anyone heard of this? We are being asked to do some blending, bottling and labeling but I cannot find anything on this type of spirit. I couldn't find anything that was close in CLASS AND TYPE DESIGNATIONS. Any information would be helpful.
  5. Thatch
    Unfortunately he is incorrect. He is your AHJ and it sounds like he does not want any of the devils brew in his domain. You need to tread very lightly here. Did you ask him to provide the specification he was referencing? He may simply tell you that it's that way because he said so. People like @Dalkita can quote chapter and verse of what is allowed but that will cost you a consulting fee. Here's their take on MAQ https://www.dalkita.com/maqs-maximum-allowable-quantities/ I am not an architect or engineer, they are. Are you a H3 classification now? The only way you would be classified as H-3 would be if you were exceeding the 120 gallons since you are not sprinkled. If you stay under 120 gallons you would be F-1 since you are not sprinkled. The table he should be referring to is at 307.1 check out notation c. at the bottom of the table. https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IBC2018/chapter-3-occupancy-classification-and-use
  6. Thatch
    https://codes.iccsafe.org/content/IFC2018/chapter-50-hazardous-materials-general-provisions
  7. Thatch
    Couldn't find anything in various codes. This would be something to discuss with your AHJ. As far as the TTB goes, you should refer to this thread.
  8. Thatch
    IBC's may not be used for storage, they are only for shipping. https://www.dalkita.com/prohibition-on-flammable-liquids-in-plastic-totes/
  9. Thatch
    Facebook post on Distilling Set Up FB page Nicole Evelyn shared her first post. · Sdeptmemobertg 2e8 naSdt 3:16 mPMfctc · Hello, I have 11 pallets of OI 750ml Vida Bottles for sale. 2.09/ bottle. We have extra and know they are in short supply these days. Located in Sarasota, Fl.
  10. Thatch
    Okay, so you're all set and do not have a question or problem, right?
  11. Thatch
    You can have up to 4 control areas. Take a look at the doc from my March 5, 2019 post in this thread. However, this may not be the way to go moving forward. What are you really trying to do, have a MAQ higher than 240 gallons but remain F-1? If you could give some background as to the problems you are encountering or your goals, someone here will likely be able to help.
  12. Thatch
    Which, outside tanks or additional control areas?
  13. Thatch
    I think you are misunderstanding. Each State has it own codes based on a version of IBC. My local AHJ cannot override those codes nor can others without ignoring the law in his State. The problem with your logic is if they were to override and something happened based on a code violation, the lawsuit would be flying everywhere.
  14. Thatch
    Here's the scoop from one AHJ. My guy invited me to explore dual classification with my architect. BUT, Ohio code is based on IBC 2017 or earlier since it was adopted in Ohio in 2017. (All states are different) SO, I shot him back a quick questions which was: "Since the Ohio Building code is based on IBC 2017 or early, I would not be able to take advantage of this new code since it is based on 2021 IBC. Am I correct?" His answer was that "My assumption made sense" In my case, I will wait until Ohio adopts IBC 2021 and try again. Cheers
  15. Thatch
    Thanks @SlickFloss Actually we're good. But, if I didn't have to be concerned about an MAQ, it would be even better. I'm going through this fact finding for the other folks on this forum as well as myself. I have a wonderful building inspector and a great fire inspector, they want us to be here and are giving me every opportunity to investigate dual classification.
  16. Thatch
    Thanks for your input. I just got an email from my AHJ. Unfortunately S-1 is a storage occupancy whereas a distillery is a manufacturing occupancy (F-1). This is why a dual occupancy would be required. But, if your AHJ will buy your argument, go for it. Mine will not. But, I can apply for dual occupancy. This will take a plan review by an architect who will decide if we meet all the requirements of S-1.
  17. Thatch
    If the question is whether of not an F-1 occupancy can exceed 240 gallons within one control area, the answer is no. It's a real stumper, a code review is being done by several entities and I don't expect a final answer for a couple of weeks. And, it depends on what will be accepted by your AHJ. We are F-1 occupancy, 240 gallon MAQ. It is possible for an AHJ to allow dual occupancies within the same structure. We are outfitted with sprinklers that would allow us to meet either F-1 or S-1. The question in our case is whether or not the AHJ will allow the dual occupancies. The other question is, what will that mean to our insurance company.
  18. Thatch
    I'll run this by some people and post their response. @InsuranceMan 2.0how about checking with your contacts.
  19. Thatch
    I'm not sure what you're saying. Do you believe that the MAQ has in someway change or the barrels are no longer to be considered part of the MAQ? Or, does this have no effect on MAQ and an occupancy of F-1? There was never a mandate. There are many distilleries around the county that are F-1 occupancy. Maybe we're talking about two different subjects. Most of the questions on this forum are about storing more hooch while remaining an F-1 occupancy. What is the subject you are addressing?
  20. Thatch
    Thanks Silk, if my current centrifugal gives me problems I'll probably go the pneumatic Flojet G57 that @Foreshotrecommended. Foreshot, no solids. Thanks guys, Cheers
  21. Thatch
    There's an awful lot to read there. What are you asking about specifically? At a glance it looks like the IFC is now mentioning the IBC regulations in the user note. Is that what you are referring to?
  22. Thatch
    @Silk City DistillersThe centrifugal I'm using a 1/10 hp 12 volt bilge pump and it seems to be working quite well. I'm going to increase the intake to 5/8" stepping down from a 2" tri-clamp on a 500 gallon fermenter leaving the exhaust at 3/8" which is the intake on the still. I do have air handy if I need to change things. At this point it seems that I am able to control the flow pretty well with the valve on the still. But, I have not done a full fermenter yet so I may still have issues that I am not aware of.
  23. Thatch
    Thanks @Pete B I'll keep an eye out for foam in the lines at the pump intake and exhaust. Any ideas on a small variable rate diaphragm pump if I need to change? My feed rate is only 100 liters/hour.
  24. Thatch
    I need to go from a fermenter to a centrifugal pump that feeds a continuous column. The pump has a water hose connector for both input and output. The fermenter uses a 2" Tri-clamp. The input to the still is 3/8". Would I be better off going into the pump with a 3/8" line from the fermenter or would a larger input hose be more efficient? I have this working now going into the pump with a 3/8" connector but I am wondering if I gain any efficiency by going into the pump with a large supply hose. Cheers!
  25. Thatch
    Four firewalled, sprinkled spaces.
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