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  1. Craft is Not a Commodity

    Our position is that the "one" who must decide is the consumer. However, in order for this to occur, there must be complete transparency throughout the entire process and supply chain. That the majority of drinkers care only about price and taste is exactly our point in saying that craft is not commodity. The difference is, we disagree on the inference, as well as the number. Our research into the market places that number at 25% of all the alcohol that gets drank, not 99.9% of drinkers. We take it a step further, by saying that the consumers who make up the difference between those two numbers (which is, by the way, is a lot more than 0.1% of drinkers, seeing as 10% of Americans account for 75% of all alcohol consumption by volume) do not want to drink commodity spirits i.e. GNS or sourced whiskey. They are specifically targeting craft brands because they are looking to avoid commodity spirits and accomplish something altogether different with their dollar and purchasing decision. To the question of whether a micro label needs to grow their own grain or make their own barrels to be craft, the answer is no. But they do need to source those products from other micro/local producers. The long term interest of the majority of craft consumers is to see an entire craft ecosystem, not commodity products rebranded and marketed as belonging to that ecosystem. Again, this is not the majority of the market, nor the one with the highest margins, short term ROI, or greatest potential for a quick scale and exit. But it is the core craft market, which is why we encourage micro producers interested in operating in that space to loudly and transparently promote their commitment to its fundamental principles. It will be key to their success in the long term. Because craft is not commodity.
  2. Craft is Not a Commodity

    @Roger - no need to wait for Amazon (although that is definitely coming) https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/a-trio-of-new-whiskeys-from-the-legendary-mgp-distillery_us_5a5e2bf8e4b01ccdd48b5fc8 BEST line in the whole piece: "Probably better than if it really had been bearded, tattooed dudes in a garage." All credit to Ryan Montgomery at Montgomery Distillery for calling this one on our webcast last month. I'd encourage you to listen to the whole thing but his prediction about MGP is right around the 30:00 mark. https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/microshiner/life-distilled
  3. Craft is Not a Commodity

    This statement, to us, highlights the crux of the matter. @Glenlyon is correct - it is not for producers to say that one approach is better than another. That right, or responsibility, falls to the consumer.
  4. Craft is Not a Commodity

    Great article @Glenlyon. Thanks for sharing! So much good stuff in there but the key is: "I don't think the [growth] is sustainable" Of course not. It's a closed system, and liters/yr is static (X liters/yr = Y producers x Z liters/yr). Therefore, if Y goes up and X stays the same, then Z must go down. However, there is another factor at play, which is price. This creates a point of inflection, based on marginal cost. On the one side you have commodity, on the other side craft. A significant cohort (I say 75% by volume sold) will not pay more than the minimum marginal cost. The buying decisions about the other 25% are based on the strength of their value proposition, because that is what accounts for the added marginal cost in the mind of the consumer. I agree with you - the mid/mass market is a no-man's land.
  5. Craft is Not a Commodity

    Thanks for the kind words @Southernhighlander! Feel free to suggest it to him on my behalf. I've already pitched him on this as a topic for the next ADI Conference.
  6. Craft is Not a Commodity

    If you've read my other post on value propositions then you'll know that I don't believe micro-distilleries can compete with commodity products, nor should. My opinion is that over time automation will reduce the marginal cost of producing beverage alcohol at scale to such a point that it will be impossible for micro-distillers to be competitive on price, which is the only concern for the cohort of drinkers who account for the vast majority of sales by volume. Craft and commodity are diverging at a rapid rate, and there will be very little middle ground. But what I am more getting at is, whether they intend it or not, craft distillers are a part of a global movement toward decentralization. It is a massive redistribution of capital and production capacity, and it has only just begun. That is what is driving this thing, and those who have gotten into this thinking they are going to build a brand, scale, and exit are in for a surprise. It will work for a little while, but not for long. As commodity brands continue to lose customers even as they acquire the biggest, most successful 'craft emeritus' (as ADI calls them) brands, they will quickly wise up. The future of the beverage conglomerates in the craft market lies in what Jeremy Rifkin calls 'performance contracts' not in the acquisition and ownership of actual operating distilleries. So plan accordingly. Remain a rebel. Set a ceiling. Stay the course. Your business and your community will be better for it.
  7. Craft is Not a Commodity

    The thing about craft isn’t the craft. Everyone practices craft, whether you’re a grandmother making quilts for the church bazaar or you’re a sewing blankets in a factory in Vietnam. No, the thing about this phenomena we call ‘craft’ is that it’s an entirely new way of doing business. It’s a melding of the best practices of the Old World with the technological advancements of the New. There is a reason I chose the name MicroShiner. It was because, like the moonshiners, whose moniker is believed to have been derived from the early English term "moonrakers" and resulted from the clandestine nature of illegal Appalachian spirit makers, this new breed of distillers were fucking rebels. This was the new Whiskey Insurrection, except that, instead of simply resisting a tax, these cats were wresting an entire industry back from those who had stolen it. They weren’t going to be satisfied hiding up some holler, or in their basement, sneaking out to sell a jug here and there or giving it away to their friends as Christmas gifts. No. They were about changing the paradigm. Regardless of the prefix - whether “moon” or “micro” - they were definitely shiners, and I thought they were badass. But now it seems, sort of like its contemporary, the blockchain, that has, remarkably, grown up alongside it, this rebellion has been appropriated. Like the original Whiskey Rebellion, the real basis for this one has been re-authored, twisted to some other intent, and threatens to be given over entirely by the very same people who initiated it. What I’m talking about is acquisition and the reconsolidation - worse yet, recentralization - of the production capacity that was distributed across the landscape by the craft movement. It’s a travesty, and I don’t care whether you’re a consumer, producer, distributor, or investor, you should have no part in it. Here’s the thing folks. If it can be centralized, it can be automated, and should. Don’t get me wrong, I have nothing against passable drink at near zero marginal cost. But it has nothing to do with craft. Craft production provides intangibles that almost cannot be quantified and certainly cannot be understated. Read Small is Beautiful by E.F. Schumacher and you’ll understand what I mean. And go ahead, send me your Hayek and Ayn Rand. But I’ve already read them too. They both agree. I understand that you don’t care about economics. You just want to make, or enjoy, a good drink. Maybe you want to escape from the 9 to 5 and do something with your hands. Leave me out of this, you might say. No problem, you and I are on the same page already. Perhaps you’re an investor, who got into this to get some ROI on your money. Really? That’s pretty last century, but okay. I hope you also bought some Bitcoin and shares of MGP. You might want to exit those now, too. See the thing is, an independently owned distillery, appropriately scaled to meet the needs of a specific population, is not the same thing as a brand. And the demand for the thing I just described will always be there. The other thing, its a fancy label on some commodity whiskey. But you knew that. It’s why you got into craft in the first place. The genie is out of the bottle people. Leave the past where it belongs. We are never going back.
  8. We are super excited to announce the launch of our latest channel for content marketing, the audio podcast version of our 360 video YouTube webcast - Life, Distilled. Podcasts are huge right now, and there are few better places for connecting with millennial audiences. With the Life, Distilled podcast we have created a platform for introducing this important population to craft spirits and the small batch lifestyle, tapping into their desire to find and connect with brands that share their values. Please give it a listen, share it on social media, and let us know what you think. On iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/life-distilled/id1312985660 On Stitcher: https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/microshiner/life-distilled/e/52215718?autoplay=true If you're interested in seeing (and hearing) your business and products discussed and promoted on the show, drop us a line at growth@microshiner.com Cheers, and thanks for listening!
  9. Just so you know, I started a new thread for this discussion.
  10. @Southernhighlander - absolutely. In select markets - or as you said, at the micro level - this is very feasible, and I wholly support and encourage this model. My statement was, again as you graciously point out, directed at the macro. However, any craft distillery regardless of business model, unless it is to scale and exit, will benefit from communicating to the craft consumer that they are craft.
  11. There seems to be a lot of opinion around this, so we thought we would open ourselves to your abuse. Perhaps this way our other posts can be consider on their own merit. Fire away.
  12. @Glenlyon - this comment speaks to the conversation at hand We feel it is important to approach this from the consumer's perspective. If I am a 'craft' consumer, if I subscribe to a 'craft' lifestyle, define and consider myself in that light, and I am at the liquor store, what am I looking for? The purpose of our post here is to try to point out that your customer base already exists. They just don't know that you do, and they most certainly don't know that you are the 'craft' option they are in search of. We are very confident that a craft cohort exists. Beyond our own research, we don't have to look beyond the specialty coffee and craft beer examples to substantiate this. It seems, however, that there is a misconception that these are separate cohorts, delineated by category. They are not. They are the same. The people who drink specialty coffee are the same people who drink craft beer. And they are the same people, predominately, that are, or want to be, the craft spirit customer base. The trouble is, you are not as accessible as beer or coffee, and therefore you must market. Craft beer and coffee's market inroads were built off grassroots, cash flow models - they became sustainable, even profitable, selling out the front door, then moved into distribution. Spirits are not consumed, let alone financed, in the same way, so we must utilize different methods in their marketing. But the facts remain: the craft consumer exists, is ~25% of the total market, and has not been educated adequately enough (i.e. marketed to) to know what his or her spirit option is.
  13. Just so the point of this thread isn't lost - craft doesn't serve 20% of the US population, it serves 3.8%. How best to capture the other 16.2% (we believe it is 21.2%) that are potential craft customers is what we are discussing. Our position is that content marketing that communicates the value proposition of craft over that of conglomerate is the most effective and efficient method to do that. We provide a platform for content marketing. If you don't ascribe to the values of our platform, we recommend that you align yourself with one that aligns with your values and the value proposition of your brand. CRAFT by Under My Host and The Alchemist (if you are in BC) are two great options.
  14. Yeah @Silk City Distillers, @Glenlyon and I sort of hijacked the thread. Apologies for that. To your point, we are talking about the same thing. Beyond the price point of inflection, it all depends on your value proposition, those values you evoke in the mind of the consumer, which is subjective. As you state, whether your locality has any bearing on your price point is strictly a matter of economics. We could do the math, but essentially it correlates to the cost of oil and how far you are from source and market, and there is a hard point in that equation at which sourcing from and serving the local market yields diminishing returns. This is again where that subjective value proposition enters in. I love what you are saying about experience, and about offering a physical experience and sense of community. Your conversation around this speaks to my other favorite talking point in craft, which is the matter of appropriate scale. What I am really working to say is, micro producers can compete with commodity products on the shelf and particular on premise, at least in that 25% cohort who cares about something other than price, if the consumer knows the keyword and your product contains it. But you have to actively promote the lifestyle and culture that is associated with this keyword, own it and make it known. I hear what you're saying about Mila Kunis, but I disagree on two points. One, I don't believe the people influenced by the Wild Turkey/Matthew McConaughey ad are in the 25% that is in your customer base. Two, the craft producers have a lot more money, collectively, to spend on effectively marketing an authentic craft meme then they think they do. And my argument is that doing this - marketing the craft lifestyle and your association with it - will make any and all of you realize a lot more growth then marketing your individual brands in a sea of cheaper and more readily recognizable options ever will.
  15. @Glenlyon - thank you very much for your kind words! We really enjoyed making it, and we aim to again. To be honest, it wasn't really the printing so much as it was the lack of advertisers. Our model was designed such that subscriptions covered print costs and provided for profit, but production had to be supported by ads and sponsored content. We found selling subscriptions to be relatively easy - it was getting micro-producers to support the platform that proved exceedingly difficult. At MicroShiner, we have made a commitment to only promote small, independent businesses. To us, it undermines what we are trying to do in creating a content marketing platform for the craft movement to promote anything but craft products. Which means we depend upon other businesses in the craft ecosystem to help us grow. It goes to our point about the craft value proposition that we posted above. From a marketing perspective, craft spirits are better served to consider themselves in the craft horizontal than the spirits vertical. Making craft approachable - nicely styled, with a gentle insight - is what MicroShiner is here to do.
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