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    Feeling very pleased with my efforts

    Congratulations, Pete! Bring some of that rye next time you visit!
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    Anton Paar Products

    I got a demo of both the Anton Paar certified unit and the equivalent Rudolph unit. They are very similar; it turns out that the guy who started Rudolph used to work for Anton Paar. Contrary to some of the pricing posted above from a couple years ago, the pricing I got was around $15,000 for the base units. Of course you can add various options which will increase the cost quite a bit. Anton Paar offers a bunch of options; Rudolph not so much. Both units come with Ethernet and can print right to your laser printer. Both units functioned similarly and were very nice to use. With that said, there are a few drawbacks for these machines in general. 1. They are very, very slow. They take several minutes to stabilize and give a final reading. Depending on how fast your thermometer gets to a stable reading, you might find using hydrometers to be faster. 2. You have to be meticulous about cleaning out the machine between samples with RO water. Then you have to run its air blowing cycle (or whatever they call it) to get all the water out. Any trace of water or the previous sample can throw off your next reading. When you add in the cleaning time, it slows it down even more. 3. Neither company offers any calibration service. At least that's what the sales reps told me. They do offer a maintenance service, but they made it clear that it was not a calibration. Both sales reps suggested measuring distilled water on a regular basis; if the water measurement was correct, the machine was in spec. In the course of the demonstrations, I tested some of my bottled product and found it was within spec. In some cases, I was within a few hundredths of a degree of proof to the machine results. So you can do just fine with hydrometers. With that said, for any larger scale operation, or even a medium-sized distillery, getting one of these units would be a good idea.
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    Expanding our Tasting Room

    1. Obtain local government approval for the change in space occupied. 2. Obtain any state approvals needed. 3. Revise your floor plan and file an amendment to your DSP registration with TTB via Permits Online. Amendments can take anywhere from days to several months.
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    GNS Cost and Availability

    TTB made some changes to formula requirements in their 2016-3 circular, which can be downloaded here: https://www.ttb.gov/formulation/do-I-need-a-formula.shtml In short, TTB approved "general use formulas" for certain common types of spirits, including vodka. Meaning a formula is not needed. See the circular for the exact language; there was also a thread that touched on this when the ruling came out.
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    Liqueur/DSS Labeling

    What was the exact language of the rejection? If they rejected it as an age statement, then you simply have to find some other language to use that explains the use of the barrel.
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    Lessons in Barrel Aging

    Bear in mind that most mass-market rums have sugar added. That is why people think that rum should taste sweet, although most are unaware of the added sugar.
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    Question re: 27 CFR 19.489 (case labeling)

    I include total liters on case labels.
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    Dosing Alcohol in Blend Tanks?

    Load cells under the tank legs. There are a bunch of scale companies that will put this together for you or sell you the parts.
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    Vodka yield

    According to your numbers: 2400 liters of wash at 10% is 240 liters of absolute alcohol. 400 liters of low wines at 40% is 160 liters of absolute alcohol. 150 liters of neutral spirit at 95% is 142.5 liters of absolute alcohol. The obvious source of loss is your low wines run, as you are only recovering 2/3 of the stated amount of alcohol in the wash. Either a) your wash is less than 10% or b) you are cutting off the low wines run way too early. If you run the wash down until the output is under 10%, you should be recovering around 98% of the alcohol, which would be around 588 liters at 40%. You didn't say how much of the yield for the spirit run was heads and tails, but that could easily be the remainder from the low wines.
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    AlcoDens LQ on Linux

    1. Download VirtualBox for Mac (free). 2. Install Windows. 3. Install AlcoDens. Of course, it's also possible to buy perfectly good Windows laptops on ebay for under $100, which may be even easier.
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    6-Pack Boxes / Partitions

    In general, you want to find a box manufacturer as close to you as possible. Freight costs can be a significant factor. Regarding the pricing, is it $1.00 for the box, then an additional $1.45 for the partition? ($2.45 total) Or is it $1.45 total? The latter would seem more typical, the $2.45 total seems high. The price can also vary depending on the box printing, number of colors, etc.
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    Loss in low-wines run

    Around 2% loss on stripping run.
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    Sediment in finished bottles

    Have you ever tested it with a total dissolved solids meter? You can buy a 50 gallon/day RO system for under $200 and you can get a TDS meter for under $20.
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    Sediment in finished bottles

    Are you using Reverse Osmosis water for proofing down? If not, the water you are using is the culprit.
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    xpress fill reviews xf460hp

    I've been using the 4 spout version for several years. In general, it works well. I have needed some service and Xpressfill is responsive.
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    Loss in low-wines run

    I'm converting to Freedom Units and rounding. You had 317 gallons (1200 liters) at 10% ABV, which should yield 31.7 gallons of absolute alcohol, or 63.4 proof gallons. Your actual yield was 33 gallons (125 liters) at 50%, which is 33 proof gallons, or about half the expected yield. While you should have run until you were at 10% or less on the output, that doesn't account for half the yield. The most obvious answer is that your mash was not at 10%, but more like 5% or 6%. How did you determine it was at 10%?
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    Shipping to out of state distributor

    Arranging and paying.
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    The agent did mention FAA (Federal Alcohol Act) as the relevant law but didn't mention a specific section.
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    Exactly. This is what the Fed Ex contract says. Also bear in mind that different laws may apply on a state-by-state basis for manufacturers vs. retailers. Type of alcohol also matters: in general, wine shipments are allowed in some states where spirits shipments are not. You may also be liable for excise tax payments on such shipments. Federal law may also come into play. There may be other (unknown) legal issues as well, all of which vary by state. Here is what a TTB agent told me: if you ship across state lines and you break the law, your permit is at risk. So there's that, in addition to 50 different sets of state laws and the Fed Ex contract. Bottom line for me is that I prefer to refer customers to our retail partners who ship and thus offload the risk.
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    Shipping to out of state distributor

    1. Make sure you obtain any necessary permits, brand registrations, or fulfill any other regulatory requirements from the new state. 2. Standard shipping method: LTL freight. Look up "freight brokers" to get pricing. But really, your distributor should be arranging the shipment.
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    Fed Ex guidance: Once you have the alcohol agreement, don't ship to anyone other than a wholesaler or a competition. Fed Ex can, and will, conduct an audit of your shipments and ask you to explain them. Also, if you ship via Fed Ex without the alcohol agreement in place, they will deny any damage claims.
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    Telemarketing scam

    Oh yeah, I got that call too. Second time around: last time their celebrity host was James Earl Jones.
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    Federal Excise Tax and my thoughts

    Also, TTB appears to be on top of this. The following notice has been added to the TTB web site: Congress has passed the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017, which makes extensive changes to the Internal Revenue Code of 1986, including provisions related to alcohol that are administered by TTB. The Tax Cuts and Jobs Act will become law when the President signs it. We are currently assessing the impact of these changes on TTB forms, regulations, and systems, and will issue guidance and information in the coming weeks.
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    Federal Excise Tax and my thoughts

    The final bill has now been signed into law. You can google "pdf of tax bill" or similar to download a copy. Here is the portion on FET: SEC. 13807. REDUCED RATE OF EXCISE TAX ON CERTAIN DISTILLED SPIRITS. (a) IN GENERAL.—Section 5001 is amended by redesignating subsection (c) as subsection (d) and by inserting after subsection (b) the following new subsection: ‘‘(c) REDUCED RATE FOR 2018 AND 2019.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—In the case of a distilled spirits operation, the otherwise applicable tax rate under subsection (a)(1) shall be— ‘‘(A) $2.70 per proof gallon on the first 100,000 proof gallons of distilled spirits, and ‘‘(B) $13.34 per proof gallon on the first 22,130,000 of proof gallons of distilled spirits to which subparagraph (A) does not apply, which have been distilled or processed by such operation and removed during the calendar year for consumption or sale, or which have been imported by the importer into the United States during the calendar year. Here is the portion on "controlled groups." ‘‘(2) CONTROLLED GROUPS.— ‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—In the case of a controlled group, the proof gallon quantities specified under subparagraphs (A) and (B) of paragraph (1) shall be applied to such group and apportioned among the members of such group in such manner as the Secretary or their delegate shall by regulations prescribe. ‘‘(B) DEFINITION.—For purposes of subparagraph (A), the term ‘controlled group’ shall have the meaning given such term by subsection (a) of section 1563, except that ‘more than 50 percent’ shall be substituted for ‘at least 80 percent’ each place it appears in such sub section. ‘‘(C) RULES FOR NON-CORPORATIONS.—Under regulations prescribed by the Secretary, principles similar to the principles of subparagraphs (A) and (B) shall be applied to a group under common control where one or more of the persons is not a corporation. ‘‘(D) SINGLE TAXPAYER.—Pursuant to rules issued by the Secretary, two or more entities (whether or not under common control) that produce distilled spirits marketed under a similar brand, license, franchise, or other arrangement shall be treated as a single taxpayer for purposes of the application of this subsection.
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    Federal Excise Tax and my thoughts

    Exactly. Read the section on "controlled groups." I also haven't read it in great detail, but it appears that the purpose is to prevent precisely the kinds of schemes Joe theorized about. However, the idea of paying tax at the end of 2019 and moving product to unbonded storage may work.