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  1. This website helps with layout of internal tunes: https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/smaller-circles-in-larger-circle-d_1849.html
  2. Yes, it is *possible* to get neutral spirit from repeated distillations on a pot still. It is not however practical or really safe to do so.. Some continuous stills are designed to get finished product on a single run, others are not and require further distillation.
  3. I have also though about hunting down an old steam radiator or two and plumbing it/them to our steam boiler.. I assume the low pressure boiler we have is basically the same unit one would use for a medium sizes building heated with steam radiators where they run the boiler 24/7 over the winter?
  4. HedgeBird

    Fed Tax cut

    Would it not be more accurate to say that taxes are typically due on all product that has been removed from bond at the end of the calendar quarter during which they where removed, from bond, not from your DSP. Presuming the tax cut is not extended you will want to remove from bond all product that you can prior to the end of the year. If your able to bottle 1,000 750ML bottles at 80 proof now (even if you wont need them till sometime in 2020) and remove those bottles from bond prior to the end of the year you will be saving about $1,711.83 in Federal Excise Tax on those bottles..
  5. Not sure why, but it seems its that way on other Mueller stills as well.
  6. I would give this helpful article a read before purchasing an already issued permit over just filing yourself. https://hopsandvine.net/types-amendments-to-a-ttb-federal-basic-permit-guidance/ You can also view current processing wait times for a new DSP here: (looks like about 90 days currently) https://www.ttb.gov/nrc/statistics-original-applications-to-operate From the linked article: Change in Premise Location The first type of amendment is a change in premise location with respect to the original permitted premise. The biggest limitation with this type of amendment is where the new premise will be located. Are you moving across state lines? If so, then this amendment is not an option and TTB will require you to submit a new application altogether. For example, if you distilled spirits plant is licensed in Alabama and your new premise is in Florida, you will not be able to file a change in premise location amendment; you will need to file an original application for a distilled spirits plant with TTB.
  7. 5 and .5 micron filters in series is what typically gets recommended..
  8. Sounds like there could potentially be multiple sales creating revenue at various times.. You are acting as both a producer and a retailer, who is selling to the state, buying from the state and selling to the end customer. Its probably revenue two separate times (or three), and an expense once. You did not mention payments to the state, but presumably you have to make those. Sale to State as wholesaler - Receive 50% wholesale payment - sales revenue Sale to end Customer as retailer - Receive 100% retail payment - sales revenue Bill from the state to retailer - Pay 100% distributor cost - sales expense Sale to State as wholesaler - Receive 50% wholesale payment - sales revenue What are the payment terms from them as a distributor, and to them as a retailer? Are they making you guys pay (as the retailer) for your own liquor in advance, and then not paying you (as the producer) for 60 days?
  9. Paul - Are you asking for your buyers to have any paperwork or other license when you sell them bulk (not in a retail container) tax-paid alcohol?
  10. What are the options available for bulk sales excluding sales to another DSP? For example if I want to provide bulk alcohol to a local vinegar manufacturer, who will never retail consumable alcohol, do they still need to register as a DSP or are there other options? Additionally would anything prevent a DSP from receiving a label approval for neutral spirits or alcohol bottled at 190 proof? Thanks!
  11. Local code official is recognizing the Barrel Exception in Chapter 50 of the 2015 IFC. Initially he said this exempted me from all chapter 50 MAQ limitations and also requirements of hazardous storage, so I was good to go with the non-sprinklered building I am eyeing up. After further review and reading the 2015 IFC "Code Commentary" he has revised his opinion and now believes the barrel exception in Chapter 50 only applies to the MAQs, and not the hazardous classification, and as such the building would still need to meet IBC H3 Occupancy requirements according the the Chapter 3 use groups. I have not been able to find a copy of the 2015 IFC/IBC Code Commentary online, so I am not sure whats in there that points him in this direction. Code official is willing to consider arguments in my favor that would allow me to use this building, but only if I can provide him info to counter his interpretation. Can anyone provide info/arguments that the Barrel Exception in Chapter 50 of the 2015 IFC would indeed exclude whiskey barrels from not just the MAQ, but also H3 Occupancy, or that whiskey in barrels is not a Hazardous material/not an H3 occupancy. Or perhaps is there an argument that this is an F1 Classification, and the Barrel Exception in Chapter 50 excludes me for any MAQs that an F1 classification might have? Thanks for any thoughts you might have!
  12. We use pneumatic mixers and have never had an issue. You can find comparable mixers on eBay at a fraction of the price: https://www.ebay.com/itm/50Gallon-Pneumatic-Bracket-Mixer-Tank-Barrel-Air-Mix-Stainless-Steel-Clip-Paint/173855013130?epid=2256269422&hash=item287a90f90a:g:8fMAAOSwptZcPWdq Use some combination of the follow words on eBay and you should find lots of options that will be better than a hand drill/driver: pneumatic, stainless, sanitary, air, mixer, agitator, drum, barrel, etc.
  13. Mixing alcohol and water also produces an exothermic reaction that produces heat and can change the actual volume. Waiting a day for these variables to subside can make it easier to take proof readings. Less of an issue if doing things by weight and not volume but could still mess with your temperature correction when taking a proof reading. There are also many believers in letting fresh distilled spirits sit open to the air for a few days. (I think the idea being the more volatile, less tasty elements will evaporate first giving you a better product) Personally I don't feel this is necessary if your doing good cuts.. Seems like your predecessor was possibly combing these two practices into one step..
  14. Ballpark $200 to $2,000 per month. You hardly need any space in order to store 20 barrels, but if your leasing secured commercial warehouse space with fire suppression and dock access, safe to assume they are going to want to rent you more than the 300 Sq/Ft you probably need. So thats my high end. Low end you rent/lease a shipping container for something like $200 a month.. Probably the easiest option would be to get an already existing DSP to store your barrels for you. I will happily store your 20 barrels for $500 per month. $25 per barrel, per month. Loading/unloading, insurance, TIB paperwork assistance, negotiable. Im sure others would do it for less.
  15. You are asking questions that are very broad in scope, making it difficult for anyone to be able to provide much of helpful response. Where are you located, do you own a building, are you renting a building, are you building a building, are you getting free space from your brother in law, will you have sprinklers, how much risk are you willing to accept, what does your location jurisdiction require code wise, does the building have a loading dock, does it have a garage door, is it accessible by truck, does it have heating/cooling, what is the leas term required -- these are just a few of the question that might determine the cost of barrel aging. I would also be inclined to say that the cost of barrel aging is probably (or at least should be) one of the smaller costs to be factored in when starting a small to medium sized spirits brand.
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