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My distillery West Bottoms Whiskey Co. is finally launching and our initial orders are much larger than anticipated (good problem to have), and I'm having trouble with my supplier having enough bottles in stock. If anyone has some Philadelphia Flask 750mL bottles they are willing to part with or know someone in the glass Biz it would be very helpful. Feel free to email me at alex@westbottomswhiskey.co. Cheers! Alex

This is very helpful! I do have one question - when calculating my penalty amount (filing now October 2018) should I calculate based on anticipated amounts at the $2.70 rate or the previous $13.50 rate? Seems like all the TTB and CFR documenation is set to $13.50 still? **Net new distillery**

So open ignition aside (I'm positive we aren't going to use this approach) we are being very diligent in our research before we purchase anything and pay anyone to set something up. Really we just want to confirm if a smaller boiler (like the Sussman) 12kw or maybe a little higher would heat up a 300L Hoga (no column - just standard pot)....and safely? We can deal with maybe a slightly slower heat up this but if this is a more affordable short term solution then we would want to do this to get up and running quickly. Appreciate all the great feedback btw!

Hey guys thanks for your reply: @Silk City Distillers yes something like the ES-12 was what I was looking at. At this point the 15HP boiler is going to be our long game after we get up and running. The original post I referenced (below) started to make me think. And I really wanted to see if its actually feasible from a production stand point as a 1-2 year solution (thoughts?) - sounds like its doable? http://adiforums.com/index.php?/topic/5856-steam-heating-a-hoga-still/#comment-33510 We are in "just start making stuff" mode. Some large investors like our product and branding but want to see some 'market traction' so here we are now just pushing hard to get up and running as quickly as possible. @TheMechWarrior thanks for the input - I'm going to run some of those considerations by our plumber/building owner. The area we are setting up in is zoned for any industrial use and everything we've run by the city so far is permitted - but I'll be sure to see what any hazardous material considerations there might be - my guess is not many based on talking to other brewers/distillers already running in our area. One other option a brewer ran by me was a fire box (open flame setup) - but that worries more for compliance given the nature of flammable liquids/vapors - not sure how many other distilleries are using open flame but personally I'm wary. Cheers! Alex

Hello all, We are purchasing some equipment to run our 300L Hoga still. We are also bootstrapping so a full setup of a 10-15hp boiler is going to kill our budget (unless we go back out for funding). I have seen in previous forum discussions that a 12kW Steam Generator would work to heat our still in a pretty standard and fairly decent time frame - this obviously isn't a long term solution but I wanted to get an opinion on feasibility, especially for that first year or so of running the still. (FYI - we are getting our mash from a local brewery so no HLT or Mash tun considerations here). Appreciate any input around this. Cheers! Alex

We are purchasing some equipment to run our 300L Hoga still. We are also bootstrapping so a full setup of a 10-15hp boiler is going to kill our budget (unless we go back out for funding). I have seen in previous forum discussions that a 12kW Steam Generator would work to heat our still in a pretty standard and fairly decent time frame - this obviously isn't a long term solution but I wanted to get an opinion on feasibility, especially for that first year or so of running the still. (FYI - we are getting our mash from a local brewery so no HLT or Mash tun considerations here). Appreciate any input around this. Cheers! Alex

I am also very interested. Please email me at alex@wbwhiskeys.com Thank you, Alex

Ok this is all super helpful. We'd love do a steam injection setup w/ boiler but our space is limited as its going to be a mixed use space. The owner has the building gutted currently so he is willing to do what we need (ie. 480v) but I may circle back with him on potential space carved out for a boiler. Appreciate all the input - Paul I'll probably hit you up shortly. Thanks, Alex

Hey all, I'm currently working with a building owner to map out our space, water and power requirements. We are going to be using a Hoga Alembic still 1000L (264 gallons) and we don't think steam generator will be an option given the space and building layout. We are exploring other heating elements and wanted to get some expert advice from you fine folks on preferences/ pros-cons of inserted heating coil(s) vs. an industrial hot plate of sorts. We are also wandering what time of power input would be required for those as well as water usage rates (ie. how much to keep that condenser cool throughout a normal run)? Any advice or input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Alex

Yes this is all very helpful! The guy I'm trying to lease from is well aware of our local jurisdictions but was kind of green (as am I) around the minute variables of the TTB regulations. You've all given me a lot to chew on. Thank you all. Hopefully I'll be getting an permit application in soon. Alex

Thanks Dave. One additional question - in terms of "interested parties" would the TTB consider it fine if I leased first floor and the owner of the building also leased to a restaurant with a liquor license on the second floor? Just wandering where that line can be drawn in terms of the building owners "interest" (ie. if he owned the restaurant I could see that being a conflict - but if he is just providing space then I would think its ok?)

Originally posted topic to less pertinent forum - trying this one: Seeking a lease in an historic location in Kansas City. All the buildings in the area a big 4-5 story brick buildings so the owners would like to lease to multiple vendors (zoning is all industrial). Potential site owner is hesitant about leasing to manufacture & retail distillery and not being able to use the other floors for say leasing to restaurant that has a liquor license. My question is basically - if I own a building and lease to a distillery, could I also lease to a restaurant w/ a liquor license(on a different floor)? If I have no controlling interest in the distillery (ie. I just lease, no ownership) would the TTB restrictions prevent any other retail licenses for that location. http://www.ttb.gov/p...s_act052007.pdf Any help or suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks, Alex

Seeking a lease in an historic location in Kansas City. All the buildings in the area a big 4-5 story brick buildings so the owners would like to lease to multiple vendors (zoning is all industrial). Potential site owner is hesitant about leasing to manufacture & retail distillery and not being able to use the other floors for say leasing to restaurant that has a liquor license. My question is basically - if I own a building and lease to a distillery, could I also lease to a restaurant w/ a liquor license(on a different floor)? If I have no controlling interest in the distillery (ie. I just lease, no ownership) would the TTB restrictions prevent any other retail licenses for that location. http://www.ttb.gov/pdf/ttbp51008_laws_regs_act052007.pdf Any help or suggestions are much appreciated. Thanks, Alex