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About et1883

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    Victoria, BC & Northern Washington State
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    craft whiskies, vodka, gin, liqueurs.

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  1. Roger that. Waiting for reply from the fire services contractor. There is an unfortunate conflict of interest in that the guy providing sprinklers is the gateway to approvals. Hopefully, this will be easy (!) :-) Thanks again!
  2. received this from fire services contractor - to whom I had sent the PDF from Thatch - perhaps that document had not made it to the designer. Welcome comments: Ok, this is tricky. As noted below NFPA #30 excludes barrels of distilled spirits. Based on that, then it would defer back to NFPA #13. Based on NFPA #13, I believe the storage areas would be extra hazard 2. The distillery area would be ordinary hazard II. 5.4.2* Extra Hazard (Group 2). Extra hazard (Group 2) occupancies shall be defined as occupancies or portions of other occupancies with moderate to substantial amounts of flammable or combustible liquids or occupancies where shielding of combustibles is extensive. I think the existing system in the storage area needs to be evaluated/upgraded to meet extra hazard 2 occupancy.
  3. Wow, thanks, Thatch! Exciting diagram and text! That is exactly what we have proposed. I did not see, or did not understand a requirement for actual sprinklers inside the 3 additional zones, or the combination of building automatic sprinklers with 1-hour-fire-cabinets (our 1-hour sheet-rock/fire-door 'cabinets' or 'closets) is sufficient. If the latter,then we can skip the fire system modifications! Hugely helpful. Let me add my thanks also to each of you who are commenting and educating me on this process. The more I know, the more I know the less I knew! Cheers!
  4. Thanks again, Thatch for a great link. None of this easy!
  5. hoping to avoid H3 but starting to see no way around it. Southernhighlander's outside storage idea has been posed to landlord. From some of the charts it seems that ventilation, power back up, alarms are the primary differences between F-1 and H3 (other than volume, of course).
  6. agree with Tom that chain link is not a good fire prevention method. Thanks to Thatch for links to the 64 page powerpoint and audio above. Will share these links with our fire services contractor and fire marshall.
  7. good evening all - we have approved construction plans for 3 added zones for transstore tank storage, each at 240 gal maq. "I think" those zones need to be studwall/sheetrock with individual fire suppression (sprinkler). However, Is that NFPA or other requirement? Or can the zones be chain link fence, so we can use the existing F-1 sprinklers? That would make construction a lot simpler. Fire services contractor is recommending chain link, as sprinklers will active at 150 degrees. Also for Thatch, is there an updated link? Keep receiving 404 error on above, and searching at the site does not produce a link. With thanks,
  8. welcome to the group, Mato! Best of luck with your projects!
  9. we have received emails from "Casks and Botas," www.casksandbotas.com in Seville, Spain. I searched but did not find a reference to them on the forums. Any experience with them? Thoughts and comments welcome. With thanks in advance,
  10. Water will be a continuing discussion, I think, Patio29Dadio, send me a copy? With thanks in advance,
  11. Welcome any comments, and thanks in advance re: use of Bottlemate 910, or 910-2 (front, back) label applying machinery, seen here: http://labelmateusa.com/product-category/label-applicators/900p/
  12. Perfect reading for the weekend! Thanks again!
  13. Must admit some of this seems less than clear, and so I welcome comments on what TTB (at their booth) at ADI in Portland told us -- that common plastic IBC totes were approved for bulk storage, which of course is not what Thatch has quoted from NFPA 30 above, or what Paul from Affordable (also above) has said. They (TTB) also said that the MAQ was 240 gallons per zone (with up to 4 zones/facility - each sprinklered and vented), though I have heard lower volumes quoted also. Does NFPA 9.4.1 refer to storage or transportation? Thanks in advance,
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