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  1. Buying spirit in barrels, age, bottle and sale.

    As just said, " Please don't read this as pooping in your punchbowl." Can you afford to buy a warehouse full of FULL barrels, bottles, other equipment and set on them for two years plus? Few could do that! As for using your Bonded Storage area for other purposes, the Feds will not allow that. Or just get a Rectifier License, no distilling equipment necessary! An alcohol rectifier is someone who buys different alcohols or wines, creates new and different blends, and then packages and resells the product under their own label. They do not manufacture or distill the alcohol, but rather just blend products from other manufacturers. Why wouldn't someone in this mind frame just become a Distributor? What's the tier system in Hawaii? Spend about the same time and money getting the license, less equipment (forklift, truck,...) but sell the day after you get the license. You're in the glamorous booze business without the mess and not professing to be a distillery. You could find your potential distillers right here.
  2. small local sanitation problems

    Cows will and can effectively drink rum dunder and will eat/drink wet grain stillage right out of the still (no dewatering). Dewatering makes it easier to haul. I feed rum dunder straight out of the still. My cows line up for it and it slows water freezing in cold weather. So I'm mixing it with water to stretch it this time of year. Search wet or thin stillage I recently posted a ref to wet stillage, but here's some more. https://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/beef/components/docs/feeding_corn_distillers_grains_to_beef_cattle_sdsu.pdf "Thin Stillage Thin stillage contains only 5-10% dry matter and can be used to replace water in cattle feeding operations. Research suggests that replacing water with thin stillage reduces dry matter intake without negatively affecting performance. " https://www.extension.umn.edu/agriculture/beef/components/docs/feeding_corn_distillers_grains_to_beef_cattle_sdsu.pdf "In three experiments involving 300 animals, cattle that were allowed access to thin stillage as their only water source gained weight 5.7 percent faster, consumed 5.8 percent less feed and were 11 percent more efficient than those with access to only water. Present these figures to a farmer or farm group and see if someone will come get it. I also found my local DOH confused distillery with brewery. Our BOD is far less than Brewery.
  3. Anti-Foam Alternatives

    +1 on the Cert Org coconut oil. A few tablespoons on 150 gallons works fine.
  4. Get your Federal Permit? How long did it take?

    Jessica, ours took 11 days more than the advertised average time of 270 days (when we submitted). What dismayed me was the permit took only eleven days for corrections and to issue...after someone actually looked at it!
  5. Merry Christmas

    Merry Christmas! We got a dusting last night...
  6. New tax reform

    REJOICE, as it is far better than a sharp stick in the eye!
  7. What to do next.

    Most here will agree that this is a frustrating trial of attrition! Hey, my State just made me spend $5,800 and weeks later said, " Oh, ah, sorry, you didn't need that." I changed my Grand Opening six times due to additional reg's surfacing. If I had a loan over my head I'd have been done. Costco sells totes of industrial ethanol. They just have small companies bottling it for them.
  8. local sewer district concerns on water use, BOD, TSS

    I realize every local is different, but... Ours was the State Dept of Environmental Quality's worry about our discharge into our captive septic system.. As you have said, we planned a zero waste foot print and we had a disbeliever in the Health Department. He wanted to keep comparing us to a brewery and the breweries in our local had a bad reputation. We wrote a detailed explanation of our process: recycled cooling water, recycled stillage to next wash/mash, that not recycled is fed wet to cattle, we stated the use of fores/heads used in sterilizing equipment, tails re-run,...write it down like your going to do it! Plan your distilling days with time and labor, so that hot cooling water starts a mash and hotter stillage goes in last. You should already know what your quantities are based on your equipment. Make the quantities jive. 600L still. 100L of product, 200L used in next wash/mash, 300 out to feed, 200 gallons of cooling water recycled either into next mash or into a storage tank, NO CHLORINE, we use PBW, Starsan and alcohol (heads), our waste consists of floor mopping, toilet and minimal equipment washing (10 gallons). MUCH less sewage than any restaurant! Water (especially hot water) and grain down the drain is as much an economic issue for a distillery as an environmental issue and I'm a cheap SOB. SAVE the BTU's!!! Feed the stillage! Write and answer questions about your process. After reading, DEQ told the Health Dept they weren't even interested in auditing us! And it has worked out fine. Notice I said feed wet grain to the livestock. I looked at every possible means of drying it and they were all expensive. I read every reference I could find. Even a wash can be fed wet to most critters. They will drink it, just harder to move offsite wet than dry. Pump or dump it into a tank/trough and they line up for a healthy drink.
  9. Warehousing, aging spirits

    I doubled the amount my listed tanks could possible hold and figured if it didn't go through they would disallow it. I had 1,200 gallons of listed tanks, I answered 2,400 gallons and they approved it.
  10. Spent Grains after on-grain distillation

    That was a great reference HBD! Thank you...My cows are literally yards from my distillery and I've been fretting giving them wet stillage verses drying it. Some of the ref says wet is better and at 4.2 ph. I need some dedicated hose...
  11. Collection Tank

    We started with a dozen new beer kegs (15gal), They're cheaper than brew pots, there are accessory dollies/carts for them, manageable weight and should last forever.
  12. TTB Labeling Requirements for Non-Potable Bitters

    27 CFR 19.5 - Manufacturing products unfit for beverage use. § 19.5 Manufacturing products unfit for beverage use. (a)General. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, apothecaries, pharmacists, or manufacturers who manufacture or compound any of the following products using tax paid or tax determined distilled spirits are not required to register and qualify as a distilled spirits plant (processor): (1) Medicines, medicinal preparations, food products, flavors, flavoring extracts, and perfume, conforming to the standards for approval of nonbeverage drawback products found in §§ 17.131 through 17.137 of this chapter, whether or not drawback is actually claimed on those products. Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, a formula does not need to be submitted if drawback is not desired; (2) Patented and proprietary medicines that are unfit for use for beverage purposes; (3) Toilet, medicinal, and antiseptic preparations and solutions that are unfit for use for beverage purposes; (4) Laboratory reagents, stains, and dyes that are unfit for use for beverage purposes; and (5) Flavoring extracts, syrups, and concentrates that are unfit for use for beverage purposes. (b)Exception for beverage products. Products identified in part 17 of this chapter as being fit for beverage use are alcoholic beverages. Bitters, patent medicines, and similar alcoholic preparations that are fit for beverage purposes, although held out as having certain medicinal properties, are also alcoholic beverages. These products are subject to the provisions of this part and must be manufactured on the bonded premises of a distilled spirits plant. (c)Submission of formulas and samples. When requested by the appropriate TTB officer or when the manufacturer wishes to ascertain whether a product is unfit for beverage use, the manufacturer will submit the formula and a sample of the product to the appropriate TTB officer for examination. TTB will determine whether the product is unfit for beverage use and whether manufacture of the product is exempt from qualification requirements. (d)Change of formula. If TTB finds that a product manufactured under paragraph (a) of this section is being used for beverage purposes, or for mixing with beverage spirits other than by a processor, TTB will notify the manufacturer to stop manufacturing the product until the formula is changed to make the product unfit for beverage use and the change is approved by the appropriate TTB officer. However, the provisions of this paragraph will not prohibit products which are unfit for beverage use from use in small quantities for flavoring drinks at the time of serving for immediate consumption. ( 26 U.S.C. 5002, 5171) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've always been amazed that Angostura bitters are on the shelf with cocktail mixers at grocery stores, yet are 44%.
  13. Farm Distillery Floor-plan Feedback Request

    Lose all the walls you can! Mass space will be more important than segregating things. Start with a three bay sink, so you won't have to change it. I see molasses, so rum? Good would be turning a molasses ferment in three days. Your fermentation tanks should be at least six times your still capacity. How often do you want to distill and how fast can you turn a ferment?
  14. Rice Whiskey

    Grind the rice. The finer you grind it, the less it needs cooked and the better the conversion. Unfortunately, the finer the grind, the harder to separate, if that is a factor. I heat the rice flour to 200 F while stirring, turn off heat, coast down to 185 and add Sebstar HTL, minimal stir occasionally as it coasts down to 155 F and add gluco, minimal stir and coast down to pitching temp. When I say minimal stir, I mean a few minutes every half hour. Rice is like molasses, the Specific Gravity is very hard to read correctly. Doesn't mean it didn't convert.
  15. Biggest surprise

    State is harder than Fed. Fed has it all mapped out. State, County seems to be feeling their way through it. Most of it isn't hard, but an endurance test.