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  1. local sewer district concerns on water use, BOD, TSS

    I realize every local is different, but... Ours was the State Dept of Environmental Quality's worry about our discharge into our captive septic system.. As you have said, we planned a zero waste foot print and we had a disbeliever in the Health Department. He wanted to keep comparing us to a brewery and the breweries in our local had a bad reputation. We wrote a detailed explanation of our process: recycled cooling water, recycled stillage to next wash/mash, that not recycled is fed wet to cattle, we stated the use of fores/heads used in sterilizing equipment, tails re-run,...write it down like your going to do it! Plan your distilling days with time and labor, so that hot cooling water starts a mash and hotter stillage goes in last. You should already know what your quantities are based on your equipment. Make the quantities jive. 600L still. 100L of product, 200L used in next wash/mash, 300 out to feed, 200 gallons of cooling water recycled either into next mash or into a storage tank, NO CHLORINE, we use PBW, Starsan and alcohol (heads), our waste consists of floor mopping, toilet and minimal equipment washing (10 gallons). MUCH less sewage than any restaurant! Water (especially hot water) and grain down the drain is as much an economic issue for a distillery as an environmental issue and I'm a cheap SOB. SAVE the BTU's!!! Feed the stillage! Write and answer questions about your process. After reading, DEQ told the Health Dept they weren't even interested in auditing us! And it has worked out fine. Notice I said feed wet grain to the livestock. I looked at every possible means of drying it and they were all expensive. I read every reference I could find. Even a wash can be fed wet to most critters. They will drink it, just harder to move offsite wet than dry. Pump or dump it into a tank/trough and they line up for a healthy drink.
  2. Warehousing, aging spirits

    I doubled the amount my listed tanks could possible hold and figured if it didn't go through they would disallow it. I had 1,200 gallons of listed tanks, I answered 2,400 gallons and they approved it.
  3. Spent Grains after on-grain distillation

    That was a great reference HBD! Thank you...My cows are literally yards from my distillery and I've been fretting giving them wet stillage verses drying it. Some of the ref says wet is better and at 4.2 ph. I need some dedicated hose...
  4. Collection Tank

    We started with a dozen new beer kegs (15gal), They're cheaper than brew pots, there are accessory dollies/carts for them, manageable weight and should last forever.
  5. TTB Labeling Requirements for Non-Potable Bitters

    27 CFR 19.5 - Manufacturing products unfit for beverage use. § 19.5 Manufacturing products unfit for beverage use. (a)General. Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, apothecaries, pharmacists, or manufacturers who manufacture or compound any of the following products using tax paid or tax determined distilled spirits are not required to register and qualify as a distilled spirits plant (processor): (1) Medicines, medicinal preparations, food products, flavors, flavoring extracts, and perfume, conforming to the standards for approval of nonbeverage drawback products found in §§ 17.131 through 17.137 of this chapter, whether or not drawback is actually claimed on those products. Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this section, a formula does not need to be submitted if drawback is not desired; (2) Patented and proprietary medicines that are unfit for use for beverage purposes; (3) Toilet, medicinal, and antiseptic preparations and solutions that are unfit for use for beverage purposes; (4) Laboratory reagents, stains, and dyes that are unfit for use for beverage purposes; and (5) Flavoring extracts, syrups, and concentrates that are unfit for use for beverage purposes. (b)Exception for beverage products. Products identified in part 17 of this chapter as being fit for beverage use are alcoholic beverages. Bitters, patent medicines, and similar alcoholic preparations that are fit for beverage purposes, although held out as having certain medicinal properties, are also alcoholic beverages. These products are subject to the provisions of this part and must be manufactured on the bonded premises of a distilled spirits plant. (c)Submission of formulas and samples. When requested by the appropriate TTB officer or when the manufacturer wishes to ascertain whether a product is unfit for beverage use, the manufacturer will submit the formula and a sample of the product to the appropriate TTB officer for examination. TTB will determine whether the product is unfit for beverage use and whether manufacture of the product is exempt from qualification requirements. (d)Change of formula. If TTB finds that a product manufactured under paragraph (a) of this section is being used for beverage purposes, or for mixing with beverage spirits other than by a processor, TTB will notify the manufacturer to stop manufacturing the product until the formula is changed to make the product unfit for beverage use and the change is approved by the appropriate TTB officer. However, the provisions of this paragraph will not prohibit products which are unfit for beverage use from use in small quantities for flavoring drinks at the time of serving for immediate consumption. ( 26 U.S.C. 5002, 5171) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I've always been amazed that Angostura bitters are on the shelf with cocktail mixers at grocery stores, yet are 44%.
  6. Farm Distillery Floor-plan Feedback Request

    Lose all the walls you can! Mass space will be more important than segregating things. Start with a three bay sink, so you won't have to change it. I see molasses, so rum? Good would be turning a molasses ferment in three days. Your fermentation tanks should be at least six times your still capacity. How often do you want to distill and how fast can you turn a ferment?
  7. Rice Whiskey

    Grind the rice. The finer you grind it, the less it needs cooked and the better the conversion. Unfortunately, the finer the grind, the harder to separate, if that is a factor. I heat the rice flour to 200 F while stirring, turn off heat, coast down to 185 and add Sebstar HTL, minimal stir occasionally as it coasts down to 155 F and add gluco, minimal stir and coast down to pitching temp. When I say minimal stir, I mean a few minutes every half hour. Rice is like molasses, the Specific Gravity is very hard to read correctly. Doesn't mean it didn't convert.
  8. Biggest surprise

    State is harder than Fed. Fed has it all mapped out. State, County seems to be feeling their way through it. Most of it isn't hard, but an endurance test.
  9. Fed Permit For Sale

    "Bob's" name is on the Permits. Bob sells company. Bob gets a seat on the Board or a new title and a small salary for not showing up. This very thing happens in airlines also.
  10. Water, water everywhere...

    Moving review from one agency to another, worked for our distillery in a dif way. State Dept of Health got interested in our water usage as hazmat and sent our permit request to the State EPA. State EPA reviewed our processes and commended us on our "Green" stance. We reuse all cooling water indefinitely, we use hot stillage for next mashing while it's hot (saving water and energy), separating solids for animal feed and compost... EPA was happy, recused itself and we had permit in a week.
  11. Rapid Distillation - The Hot Rod by Detroit Stillworks

    I was in a "DSP" food processing plant recently that has over 40 alcohol products all labeled "Produced and Bottled By" and claiming to be the only distillery in the state! They give tours, sampling and show you one 200 gallon still and three 200 gallon fermentation tanks. I'm pretty sure they don't even bottle or warehouse it there. Is it legal for the "product" to never even pass through the DSP Bonded area?
  12. passivating stainless

    How about citric acid or even lemon juice? There are marine companies on the Gulf Coast using citric acid because the EPA cannot stop them from dropping lemon juice on SS ship parts and railings and washing it into the ocean...and it works. Google it...
  13. Distillery Location

    You have a great place and while not as far off the beaten path as you...we have no cell service. That causes some people to loose their minds. We drive about four miles to get to a cell tower to make long distance calls. Everything here is working out perfectly. There is also no Code Permitting or enforcement in my county. The ambiguity of the TTB is crazy. Inspector to inspector, Fed, State and County...it should all be spelled out and the same for all.
  14. Distillery Location

    I have 80 acres. The property/building for the distillery is 200 yards from my house with road frontage on a State Hwy. Has it's own gated entrance to the road. The distillery is completely fenced, but with gates, from the other property. The fence seemed to be a key factor. I got a new address for the distillery property. In most states, you get a new address from the 911 Emergency Service, not the post office. Once I had the new address I leased the property from me to the distillery. Neither the TTB or the State ask any questions about the distillery being on my personal property even though the lease docs showed me leasing it to my own business. State to State can be huge and in town, city, zoning seems to be the nightmare. As already stated, pick your location carefully. As to getting the local stuff done first. My state would not allow me to tender an application until I had the Federal Permit in hand. All the discrepancies make this a very hard business. Having 50,000 gallons of petrol under a gas station next to a hospital is easier because they do it every day.
  15. Output and Revenue

    Nothing there is tragic...bottle, label, closure gets better with volume.
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