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  1. KRS

    Product finishes too hot

    Hi. Thanks for thinking about this. Yes, I use GNS, and I'll check with them about variations in source. I buy it from the manufacturer. I did use coriander from a different source, which was more pungent. That could indicate heat, I think. However, time and air have made a major good effect on the gin. I drank some today that had been resting in the tank an additional week: heat was balanced and flavor/aroma were what I'd wanted. I can't bottle till next week, soonest, maybe week after that, so I'll chill out and expect to be pleased. Thank you again.
  2. KRS

    Product finishes too hot

    Minor details, right? It's gin, 86 proof. It's a second batch of a recipe that was terrific the first time, also 86 proof. That batch was very, very smooth. I'm very disappointed in this new one. A few of the botanicals were from a different source, but I doubt it's the issue. I made it January 12, Carter Head gin basket. I don't want to bottle but I'm being pressured for commercial reasons. I'm hoping that resting until March might solve the problem. Batch one rested for two months, and I definitely thought it improved from its early days. I hope there's hope!
  3. HI, I've been doing "other" things, so I just got your post. I agree that not polluting the planet is something we all need to consider, and keep it in mind when we're doing whatever. The TTB and FDA have statements relative to final product and initial source. I think there's a great deal of investment by those who use strictly organically produced original sources, and they deserve respect for their efforts. The issue is one of misleading consumers by the implication that organic source leads to a product that is materially different in its final form as an alcoholic spirit. There is no evidence to support that, and at this point, it is a belief. There is often a great deal of passionate defense of belief in just about anything. I'm not debating your belief, it's not a reliable method for promoting a factual approach or bringing people to focus on what we do have in common.
  4. KRS

    Product finishes too hot

    I'm very dissatisfied with my latest production. What causes some runs to produce excessive heat on the palate? Solutions?
  5. Tom, you are saying nothing but the truth about using organic certified raw materials as better for our Earth. I am not indifferent to the concerns. I wonder if it ever will return to the type of farming that was the norm for thousands of years of agricultural production. I do know that famine was much more prevalent in days gone by when crops could not be protected from pest invasions. The Irish potato famine and horrendous loss of life in the 19th century comes to mind. Drought is probably the greatest cause of famine. Field irrigation, of course, existed since agriculture began, probably. Pure, clean water was not necessarily the source used. I do believe there is more widespread harm done from artificial fertilizer run-off in the water system. Despite legitimate concerns about pesticides used in agriculture, I believe it is our biggest threat to long term public health, followed by the methane released by commercially raised food source animals. In the meantime, we can only hope that more benign, equally effective methods will "invade" commercial practices. This does not say that I believe using the term organic on a bottle of spirits ought to be used without qualification. Apparently the TTB requires an explanation somewhere on the label. I read the info on the links you provided. Presently, the TTB regulations and labeling seem to require legal certification for using "organic" on a label. In the case of distilled spirits, it seems the use of 100% organic requires the spirit producer to receive products from or be a certified organic source. Otherwise, "produced with organic ingredients" is allowed if at least 70% of the spirit is produced with organic ingredients. I was uncertain--TTB regulations being as opaque as they are, if the label has to say "produced from 70% organic materials." In any case, the label has to have legal certification of the source on the label. Also, the TTB has ruled that there is no difference in the effects of GMO grains on health than any other agricultural products, but again, it was unclear to me if that meant non-GMO was permitted without legal certification.
  6. Regarding "organic spirits," how about "Distilled from organically grown barley/corn/wheat/rye/whatever?" It's honest and not misleading. Regarding the gluten free concerns, there is no gluten left in a beverage that is 80 proof or higher; lower proof, don't know. Basic science is not the common understanding at this time, facts being supplanted by beliefs and feelings. I have a cut-out of a Bizarro Sunday comic strip on my fridge. A TV newscaster is predicting the path of a severe hurricane, and telling people to batten down their homes and leave the area. His ending remarks: "...for you people who don't trust the media (i.e., including scientific facts expressed through media, implied), just stay put." Lots of scientific studies validate the following: beliefs are not rational, the feelings they engender narrow perception to accommodate belief. Beliefs can only be argued; facts can be discussed. So, please, stop the fruitless arguing, Dr. Karen says..and you can believe her!K
  7. It isn't legal? I believe I've seen it. Maybe I'm confusing it with wine. I'll check. When you do change your labels, consider the honesty of adding the fact that there's no difference between s made from organic ingredients and spirits not made from organic ingredients.
  8. Irradiation is done with microwaves. The definition of organic is not the issue. The issue is labeling a bottle of spirits "organic." The spirit is not organic--the ingredients used to make it were produced with organic methods. The resulting spirit is not superior to a spirit produced with non-organic ingredients. Irradiation, "organic spirits," etc, are misleading in terms of the benefits or detriments. Because people want it, doesn't make the customer right. Ignorance is just as endemic as alternative facts--undoubtedly linked to each other. Additionally, many farmers produce "pesticide free," which means exactly that, but don't go through the difficult process of getting their "organic" designation. Are the farms in their vicinity spraying madly, spewing into the atmosphere where they infiltrate the "pesticide free" crops? Possibly. I do think making the effort to produce crops and raise livestock in ways that limit the detriment to our earth is admirable. I don't think those who make the effort have the right to imply that it's a superior method that results in a superior product when it's not. People are being tricked into believing that they are getting a benefit from the product itself, not that purchasing the product is one more for Mother Earth although not intrinsically different from any other spirit they could have bought. I do believe I'm getting too annoyed about the fact that the central issue has not been addressed by the distillers that use organically produced ingredients.
  9. Pete B: A preference for alternative facts seems to becoming endemic. We need truth in advertising beyond the dangers of alcohol on our bottles. Implied benefits need to be clarified.
  10. When I read your response, I did think there was some condescension in the tone, but I can see how you might think I owe you one for calling organic spirits a “marketing ploy.” Sane people all care about the earth and what we’re doing to it. I count myself among them. The methane from livestock production is one of the biggest causes of global warming, which indicates the benefits to Mother Earth of a vegetarian-heavy diet. Which then brings with it the issue of pesticides. That’s a hard one. The government has declared that what is used commercially at this time leaves only harmless residue, which might be true, considering how many Americans eat non-organic crops and live to a hearty age. It’s not true for field workers, however, unless their employers follow strict guidelines for crop spraying. Not enough do, as I can attest. I was an infant development specialist who worked with many developmentally disabled children born to field workers. I wouldn’t eat Fresh and Easy produce, grown in the area where I worked, unless death was imminent and I was hungry. Irradiation of food does not make food radioactive any more than we are left radioactive by dental x-rays. There is no credible research that indicates a molecular change in human beings or animals that consume GMO crops, and I don’t merely reference government findings. Further, the use of irradiation in no way relieves food producers of the obligation to follow strict sanitation standards, although, as with most regulations, some people don’t. Putting them out of business is a worthwhile endeavor. Finally, GMOs. I’m sure you know that gene modification therapy has helped a great many human beings avoid or recover from debilitating conditions. If it’s okay for them, it’s okay for field crops and the people and animals that consume them. What I want is truth in advertising from spirit producers who label their products “organic.” A disclaimer would be honest—and we all care about being considered honest, don’t we? “The organic raw materials that were used to manufacture this spirit beverage have no more effect on the spirit produced than non-organic raw materials.”
  11. Hi, all. I did bloop regarding ethanol being inorganic. It is a carbon hydroxyl. However, when it's distilled, the carbon mostly converts to carbon dioxide and escapes into the air. Pete B is being factious, right? I really do need to consult a chemist about the possibilities of pesticides harmful to humans remain in the distilled ethanol. A number of clear spirits have fruits and other raw ingredients added. Those additives possibly could have pesticide residue harmful to humans. It's worth finding out. Maybe organic matters in wine and beer. I remain sceptical that it's anything other than marketing when spirits are "organic."
  12. Can anyone provide scientifically valid information about the value of using organic ingredients to make distilled spirits? It seems to me to be totally unnecessary and possibly a deceptive marketing ploy. What does organic mean for the resulting chemical compounds of spirits? Once they're converted to ethanol, what chemical compounds of the original ingredients remain that can distinguish organic from non-organic? Spirits are all non-organic chemically!
  13. Is this what is meant by "barrel futures?" It seems to me that "selling the contents of a barrel" is a sale in the present. The customer has to put up some money in advance in order to end up with the product. However, we're wondering just how the 3 tier system works for "selling" a barrel to a consumer. Selling to a hotel would be easy--sort of, because, presumably they'd have an on-site sales permit. But, just what cost does the buyer get charged when the distributor asks for their cut? If it's a consumer who "bought" the barrel contents, it'll have to go through a licensed retailer, who also will mark up the cost. Since it is something that is done, I'd like to hear from someone who has actually sold a barrel through the 3 tier system. (Direct sales in California are limited to 3, [count 'em: 1,2,3] bottles per visitor--who takes a tour or gets an educational tasting.)
  14. I sure wish someone had replied to query, Marie. We're exploring a similar situation, selling an entire barrel of spirits to a consumer. I'm going to post my own question, so maybe we'll both get answers.
  15. Thank you, Turtle. Yes, I do agree that market research is critical in determining your product's sales potential. We've gotten very positive response to our products at public tastings and at private tastings for members of the trade. For instance, we put 10.5 gallons of our first peated whiskey in a 15 gallon barrel January 12. Our distributor is so enthusiastic that he wants it bottled now. We intuit from this that we can sell for the high end price. However, being well received at tastings doesn't translate to sales because brand visibility is a significant factor. We price our white spirits by the competitive market, and we're going to do the same with the barrel-aged spirits. However, any time our distributor becomes ecstatic about one of our spirits, we'll price high. Thank you all for your advice. KRS
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