Bartletts Distillery Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 We're working on our spiced rum and it will contain less than 2.5% total flavorings and caramel coloring. Will this product need a formula to be approved by the TTB? Also what is required on the label? Is "Spiced Rum" sufficient, or does it need to contain a statement "Rum Flavored with vanilla, almond, and other spices"? I've read through a lot of the TTB documents but still haven't been able to pinpoint a conclusive answer. Another question, does the addition of flavorings change the class & type designation to a "Flavored Rum"? It seems like it should, but maybe not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyspirits Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 It certainly will. Generally speaking, if you do anything to a spirit after it comes off the still, other than barrel aging, you'll need a formula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Lenerz Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 This tool is handy... https://www.ttb.gov/formulation/do-I-need-a-formula.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Spirits Distillery Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 We just went through this. As a matter of fact the label was finally approve Friday. If flavoring is added Rum With Natural Flavors will need to be on the label. TTB made us remove "spiced" since there were other flavors in the spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Many spiced rums are formula approved as distilled spirits specialty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartletts Distillery Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share Posted October 22, 2018 Another question on this Spiced Rum. If we have added sugar in our recipe, when do we proof to 80.0 proof? I.e. before or after adding the sugar? I guess I'm looking for a procedure something like this: 1. Proof to 80.0 proof 2. Add sugar 3. bottle OR 1. Proof to ~81.0 proof 2. Add sugar 3. Proof to 80.0 proof 4. bottle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rum Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Sugar will lower the proof. You need to add anything you are going to add before you do the final proofing. Make sure you fully understand how to proof a spirit that has added ingredients. It's not as simple as using a hydrometer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartletts Distillery Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share Posted October 24, 2018 Thanks. At this point, I think we're going to forego the sugar. Sure, it makes the final product taste better when sipping alone, but we're not making a cordial. We're making something that will always be mixed with something else, usually something sweet. Feedback from our customers has been overwhelmingly positive (even without the added sugar.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluefish_dist Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 You can add a tiny amount of sugar and still proof as normal. I think the cut off is 400ppm dissolved solids. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartletts Distillery Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share Posted October 30, 2018 OK, we just submitted the formula and they kicked it back because it contained more than 40 ppm of synthetic vanilla. So, do we just change the classification to a Distilled Spirits Specialty? Hey Dehner, is your Blue Ox classified as a Distilled Spirits Specialty? @Dehner Distillery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyspirits Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Bartletts Distillery said: OK, we just submitted the formula and they kicked it back because it contained more than 40 ppm of synthetic vanilla. Try vanilla from Sovereign Flavors. Their vanilla flavor is TTB approved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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