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Looking for a small pump that would be suitable for a bottle washing station. Would need to be able to run without the alcohol flowing so when the bottle is depressed on the head it will flush the bottle. 

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18 minutes ago, whiskeytango said:

Looking for a small pump that would be suitable for a bottle washing station. Would need to be able to run without the alcohol flowing so when the bottle is depressed on the head it will flush the bottle. 

You can use a pressure bypass valve to allow for continuous flow. This will also allow you to adjust the amount coming out of the nozzle.

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4 hours ago, whiskeytango said:

Looking for a small pump that would be suitable for a bottle washing station. Would need to be able to run without the alcohol flowing so when the bottle is depressed on the head it will flush the bottle. 

Seems like this may be what you are looking for but I have no idea what proof ethanol might be okay.

https://www.allinonewinepump.com/product/pressurized-bottle-washer-sanitizer/

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The Flojet G70—like all air diaphragm pumps—can be deadheaded (run against closed discharge outlet) and will stop running automatically when the outlet closes. So you'd need to figure out a way to jury-rig it so that the discharge closes when the bottle is removed. Or you could manually close a valve.

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I am wondering if regular water utility pump from Home Depot can solve all problems? I personally building (have all parts, no labor, yet) a washing station based on restaurant glass rack (5 x 6 or 6 x 6), with copper piping similar to this one https://www.homebrewtalk.com/forum/threads/cleaner-sanitizer-combo-for-diy-copper-bottle-washer.598918/ with utility pump and garden hose and re-circulation (in washing mode - re-circulation of  soaped water, in rinse mode - plain water from tap and drain to the sewer) and some big plastic container where you can put it.

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14 hours ago, MichaelAtTCW said:

So you'd need to figure out a way to jury-rig it so that the discharge closes when the bottle is removed.

These close when the bottle is removed  https://morewinemaking.com/products/stainless-steel-bottle-washer.html

 

https://www.midwestsupplies.com/bottle-washer   But, I have no idea if the washers or any internal parts might not be appropriate for ethanol.

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Do not rinse with soap. Best way to rinse, clean and sanitize your bottles it to rinse with ethanol. 

The flojet pumps from TCW are fantastic for this

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3 hours ago, Thatch said:

These close when the bottle is removed  https://morewinemaking.com/products/stainless-steel-bottle-washer.html

 

https://www.midwestsupplies.com/bottle-washer   But, I have no idea if the washers or any internal parts might not be appropriate for ethanol.

The brass one will definitely not work.

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Brass has questionable compatibility with many different liquids.  Also, unless you have documentation saying otherwise, you'll need to assume it could contain lead.

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If I wanted to get really, really creative with that G70 pump...

I'd run it with Nitrogen or CO2, only from a tank.  No electrics.

I'd also remove the exhaust muffler, and instead plumb the gas exhaust to a second nozzle to act as an inert gas purge.

This way, you aren't wasting the inert gas you are using the power the pump.  You get to eat your cake and eat it too.

Sure, managing bottled gas is a real pain in the a$$, but if inert gas purge is something you feel is important, you could probably do something really slick with this.

One nozzle wash, the second nozzle purge.  Workflow is simple, place bottle on wash, move wash bottle to purge.  

For the gas flow control, use something like a gas whisker valve, again - no electrics, just use it on the wash port, the purge port simple runs as a slave.  Or even a simple pneumatic/gas foot switch.

https://powermatic.net/whisker-valve

Simple recirculating system, with the pump pushing through a filter cartridge prior to the nozzle.

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Also understand the irony that most electric fillers are not explosion proof, nor do they use explosion proof pumps inside.  Some of the most common ones we use, either pumped or vacuum - not explosion proof.  Even gravity fillers with bottom-mount feed pumps, usually not explosion proof.

That said, Flojet makes AC120v or 12/24v DC diaphragm pumps with compatible plastics that have a pressure switch shutoff.  It will pump as long as the output is open.  You might find a very similar pump within a very commonly used filler.

 

 

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On 2/3/2019 at 7:49 AM, captnKB said:

Do not rinse with soap. Best way to rinse, clean and sanitize your bottles it to rinse with ethanol. 

The flojet pumps from TCW are fantastic for this

We have flojet pumps for less:  https://shop.distillery-equipment.com/collections/brewing-distilling-equipment-accessories/products/5-gpm-explosion-proof-beverage-alcohol-pump-for-high-proof-spirits-flojet-g70c

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10 hours ago, Silk City Distillers said:

If I wanted to get really, really creative with that G70 pump...

I'd run it with Nitrogen or CO2, only from a tank.  No electrics.

I'd also remove the exhaust muffler, and instead plumb the gas exhaust to a second nozzle to act as an inert gas purge.

This way, you aren't wasting the inert gas you are using the power the pump.  You get to eat your cake and eat it too.

Sure, managing bottled gas is a real pain in the a$$, but if inert gas purge is something you feel is important, you could probably do something really slick with this.

One nozzle wash, the second nozzle purge.  Workflow is simple, place bottle on wash, move wash bottle to purge.  

For the gas flow control, use something like a gas whisker valve, again - no electrics, just use it on the wash port, the purge port simple runs as a slave.  Or even a simple pneumatic/gas foot switch.

https://powermatic.net/whisker-valve

Simple recirculating system, with the pump pushing through a filter cartridge prior to the nozzle.

Interesting idea. You wouldn't need to plumb off the gas exhaust. It might actually make things more difficult. Just run a 'Y' from your gas line. One end goes to the G70 and the other end goes to the second nozzle—or more appropriately, a second regulator so that you're not delivering the same psi to the pump that you are to the bottles for sparging. The G70 will take about 30 psi and the sparging nozzle will work with less than 10.

I don't know how you'd get it to work from the exhaust port, because the G70 will only exhaust when the pump is running. Would be very cool if you could find a way to make it work. Anyway, they don't use a whole lot of compressed air. Some facilities run the little Flojets off of inert gas exclusively.

10 hours ago, Silk City Distillers said:

Also understand the irony that most electric fillers are not explosion proof, nor do they use explosion proof pumps inside.  Some of the most common ones we use, either pumped or vacuum - not explosion proof.  Even gravity fillers with bottom-mount feed pumps, usually not explosion proof.

That said, Flojet makes AC120v or 12/24v DC diaphragm pumps with compatible plastics that have a pressure switch shutoff.  It will pump as long as the output is open.  You might find a very similar pump within a very commonly used filler. 

 

 

Exactly. Sounds like you're referring to Flojet's Quad pumps. Anyone thinking about using these pumps should note that Flojet warns against their use with products that have a flash point below 100 °F.

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39 minutes ago, MichaelAtTCW said:

Exactly. Sounds like you're referring to Flojet's Quad pumps. Anyone thinking about using these pumps should note that Flojet warns against their use with products that have a flash point below 100 °F.

I assume you offer the quad in your bottle rinser for wine?

 

 

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10 minutes ago, indyspirits said:

I assume you offer the quad in your bottle rinser for wine?

Depends. We use the quad on the electric Minimax. For our Rinser/Sparger, however, most facilities rinse with their house water that's been filtered/treated, and flows under its own pressure. No pump needed, so we just build a timing circuit.

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41 minutes ago, MichaelAtTCW said:

Depends. We use the quad on the electric Minimax.

Got it. That's the one I was referring to. Thanks.

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