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I have been on a few tours lately and have noticed that more and more people are storing high proof spirits in plastic totes. I would have thought that high proof should only be stored in stainless. Is there any harm or contaminants that can be transferred to the spirit? Is there a specific type of plastic or proof that would be okay to use? 

If so, this would really help as we can try new products and keep in cheaper tanks than buying stainless. 

Thanks.

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There are plastics that safely and neutrally contain spirits, MGP ships their 190 out in plastic totes. The supplier should know the specifics of suitable plastics. Plastic may be cheaper but I feel you can achieve a cleaner vessel with stainless. 

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It is against OSHA regs to store high proof spirits in plastic totes...shipping across country in the back of a semi-trailer is just fine. 

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23 minutes ago, Brian said:

It is against OSHA regs to store high proof spirits in plastic totes

 

Reference please?  

 

 

 

 

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I am currently storing in 100% stainless, however, a plastic tote makes sense if it temporary. Say to move things around or store the low wine for a trial batch...etc. If there are any OSHA requirements I would be interested. Has anyone had any bad experiences with off flavors? 

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We store in HDPE totes as well and have had OSHA in who never mention that this wasn't allowed.

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Many of the worlds finest spirits are transported in poly totes.  Other than ISO tankers, totes are nearly the de facto standard for bulk spirits shipping.  Sure, you can find stainless totes too, but they are far less common, and unless you own your tote and are shipping it both ways, I’d be pretty weary of contaminants.  Dirty stainless is far worse than clean *appropriate* plastic, this goes for in-house tanks as well.

There are some good old threads on this, so do the search, the bigger risk is flavor transfer between what you store in the tote.

 

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So shipping in plastic IBC's is just fine but the second you take them off the truck you may be stuck....also you must ground the SS IBC's.....if your OSHA inspector doesn't cite you don't beg them to cite you because they just might....also when moving them or wood barrels around your facility you "must" use a rated forklift....but I am sure no one will believe this either....maybe we could make a new Mad Max movie....ya know driving a tricked out flaming IBC through a rick house!!!

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ultrapure ships gns in plastic totes and barrels no issues whatsoever.

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On 11/14/2017 at 11:11 AM, Brian said:

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So put a copper tube in the top of your plastic IBC tote and ground and bond it. 

Seems easy. :0)

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I remember reading in the regs that if you store in 50 gallons or less volumes, you can store in plastic. But the regs DO say you cannot store above that amount in plastic. So when you get your shipment of gns or whatever you must move it into appropriate containers. 

Scott

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2 hours ago, Scott.S said:

I remember reading in the regs that if you store in 50 gallons or less volumes, you can store in plastic. But the regs DO say you cannot store above that amount in plastic. So when you get your shipment of gns or whatever you must move it into appropriate containers. 

Scott

which regs, can you find the passage to cite it?

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 For citation details read the posts about 4-5 back in this thread for citations and regs......you certainly can find plastics that are inert to ethanol and you can ship in them but you CANNOT store in them without fire risk and OSHA citation exposure.   If or when OSHA cites you and you do not remediate your citation the fines can become extreme and you may be out of business.  DOT regulations for shipping GNS to your facility are a different bird entirely.  Simply grounding a plastic tote is not in conformance......I realize this is a pain in the butt.   Moving a pallet of 53G barrels around in your facility without a rated forklift is also subject to citation.....you may wish it to be different and you may win the next Mega Lottery as well. 

Some of this confusion is around inconsistent and non-conforming regulations.....wood barrels, 60Gallon bulk storage, qualities of plastic, & etc......at  the end of the day you may find an inspector at your door and wished you had made different decisions.

This consultant has a nice summary:

https://www.dalkita.com/prohibition-on-flammable-liquids-in-plastic-totes/

 

 

 

 

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If anyone needs them, we have forkliftable, stackable stainless totes that are rated for transporting and storing ethanol.  We have 350 gallon and 550 gallon sizes that can be shipped right away.  We have other sizes available, but they must be built from scratch which takes a few weeks.. 417-778-6100 paul@distillery-equipment.com

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4 hours ago, Southernhighlander said:

We have 350 gallon and 550 gallon sizes that can be shipped right away.

Price?

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This is not only about static buildup in the poly tanks of GNS. There are also fire code issues and some fire inspectors are now disallowing plastic due to its performance in facility fires. A poly tote in a fire will melt or fail and dump its contents causing a burning wave of liquid. 

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18 hours ago, Thatch said:

Price?

I can let you have the 350 gallon for $1,920.00 and the 550 gallon for $2,400.  These are brand new.  We just started selling these. Please see the pic below.  417-778-6100 paul@distillery-equipment.com  Also, we sometimes have used ones for less.  

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1 hour ago, Southernhighlander said:

I can let you have the 350 gallon for $1,920.00 and the 550 gallon for $2,400.  These are brand new.  We just started selling these. Please see the pic below.  417-778-6100 paul@distillery-equipment.com  Also, we sometimes have used ones for less.  

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Stance on food grade vs non-food grade as it pertains to spirit storage?

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I usually have a few used stainless totes for sale.  Some look better than others.  I would take $900.00 for the one below.  It still has it's plate, so it is still good for ethanol storage.  

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2 hours ago, rtshfd said:

Stance on food grade vs non-food grade as it pertains to spirit storage?

These are sanitary food grade vessels.  I have sold 47 used stainless totes of all sizes since I have been in this business.  I purchased a bunch of them from oil drillers a couple of years ago, after oil prices dropped.  The drillers use them for storage for fuel, cleaners and all kinds of different chemicals.  I would clean them with caustic soda etc and I would change out the ball valves.  The nylon ball in the valves can get chemical flavors in it, so I would always replace the valves with new ones.  I sold four 550s that had diesel fuel and gasoline in them to a distillery that was doing creme liqueurs.   We installed exp. proof agitators on all of them so that they could blend liqueurs in them.  They had zero flavor issues with them   When we clean used totes, we guarantee no residual flavor issues.  The  used one in the pic above has not been cleaned.  Cleaning would add a couple of hundred to the price.

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