Joe C

Makes sense. Thanks Bluestar.

Well I do appreciate the advice and info Scrounge. I definitely seemed to have started the process somewhat backwards, having began fulfilling the state requirements first. It was almost too good to be true in that it seemed very simple to get them what was needed. Then, luckily I stumbled upon this forum in which I was able to receive valuable info regarding the federal rules and regs, which are as you say, a little more complex. I have readjusted my approach and I am now in full court press to get my ducks in a line with the feds so I can proceed and start producing as soon as possible. I am the first to admit that I am a full blown rookie in this arena and I do appreciate the advice and info that you and others have offered.

Thank you. I am in the market for bottles. I am a small operation. How small of an order will you process? I am looking at under 500 bottles to start off.

First, and most importantly, I am no where close to having, using, or running a still. But thanks for pointing out those possible legal ramifications. I kind of figured that. I have a recipe, a lot of homework and research under my belt, and a bunch of state, local and federal applications and paperwork in front of me. As for the inconsistency you mention in my two posts, for the sake of saving time and explanation, I stated in my first post that I have my PA Limited Distillery lic, which I do not. I have a completed PA LD Lic application and all state requirements fulfilled and a check sitting in front of me that is ready to be sent in. I should have stated, "lets say I have my PA LD lic, can you answer this question that I have regarding fed regs on labels.....". Had I just mentioned that I am new and looking to start up a liquor making business, I assumed I would have received a ton of responses stating "you have to go through your state for proper permits......" . To spare time and unnecessary explanations, I gave the theoretical, not realizing this would become the topic of discussion. So, to answer your question, yes you were reading this right, and I apologize for confusing you. As stated in my posts, I am a new start up and I have researched all State Laws and requirements and I continue to research Federal regulations and Local coding and regulations, doing my due diligence to assure that I will be operating by the letter of the law. In addition to this, however, as any responsible business entrepreneur would agree, I am researching every aspect and facet that I may encounter in starting up a business in this industry, including start up costs, maintenance costs, expenditures, marketing, tools, and operation costs. So when you suggest that I am way to early in the game to think about labels too much, I would have to disagree. I have researched hour and hours, days and days on the internet, on the phone, at my municipal offices in an attempt to identify any potential hurdle I may encounter, every cost I may incur, equipment options, ingredients costs, etc. In doing this, I have a realistic understanding of whether or not i can move forward with this venture, BEFORE i start blindly sending checks to the government to get permits for something i may not even be able to successfully operate. When i failed to find a suitable answer or explanation on my own, i turned to this forum for help. I was lucky enough to receive a very helpful response to my main issue at hand (the thing about the label regulations), from a generous poster. He was able to give me direction that i have waited hours on hold with the TTB trying to obtain. So, i hope this helps clear the confusion. Maybe your not mixing real life with your dreams, maybe you just didn't clearly understand my motive for my post. Maybe you thought there was some other motive i had? Not sure, but if your post was intented to help, thank you.

Great info! thanks Jed. I did not know about registering my formula or the federal bond. I am researching this now. I am actually trying to do all of the leg work prior to sending that $2200 check to the state for my Limited Distillery Permit. But it seems that obtaining my LD permit from the state may be a prerequisite to some of the stuff you have mentioned. I guess it may be time to pull the trigger. As for the idea with the rubber stamp on a universal label design, well that is genius. Thank you for your help!

HI Everyone, I am new to this forum and already have found valuable information just reviewing some of the postings. I am a start up limoncello manufacturing business and hold a limited distillery license in PA. I am a very small "mom and pop shop" operation at the moment and I am trying to educate myself on all of the local, state, and federal regulations. Specifically, my label design was that where I listed my varieties of cello on the label along with checkboxes. My thoughts were to save money by ordering one label design in bulk and check off the specific flavor for each respective recipe. I have three working recipes now; Lemon, Orange, and Lime cellos. My label design lists all three flavors with a check box next to each. As I bottle, I would check the flavor off for that bottle. I have tried to contact the Dept of Treasury TTB but haven't heard back yet. Can anyone advise their interpretation of this federal regulation regarding my issue at hand? I appreciate any feedback and guidance in advance. Joe

Hi everyone, I am new to the forum and hope i landed in the right place. I am in the process of starting up a small cello manufacturing business. It is a homemade recipe that has been alot of credibility. I currently have mastered lemon, lime, and orange recipes as well as a vanilla fused version of all of the above. I am hoping to find advice and some guidance here among the others in the industry. I am based out of PA and i am learning the liquor laws as they pertain to state, federal and local levels and that is enough in and of itself to make your head spin. I look forward to some good conversation.