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No kidding.. I've been reading things over 3 times, trying to make sure WHAT im reading is the most current.. .then asking questions here just to get 2nd eyes on it... I think as long as we're all respectful, and appreciative of the considerable time folks are donating to clarifying things... we'll get through this Thanks to all who have contributed guidance so far. Its helpful and maddening at the a same time haha. i guess this is the new normal

We offered to give our first batch to our local city fire marshal for free, and they're insisting on paying fair market value for it... something about it needing to be like that for their books. *Shrugs*

SIGHHHHHH. Thanks all for your inputs and efforts in wading through all this stuff

I might have just answered my own question... footnote #9 on the most recent FDA guidance says WE have specifically been told that DSP's are free to use undenatured alcohol... which Im choosing to use to negate the part in that footnote that says "in an aqueous solution denatured according to TTB" Any thoughts?

I know its been brought up here previously, but has anyone heard of any movement on the discrepancy between the commercially available sanitizer at 71% vs what we're being required to produce at 80%. Obviously stretching our scarce materials is of utmost importance.. but in addition to that... we've been in discussion with our EMS guys, Fire marshal, safety coordinator and various doctors, and all have been specifically requesting 70% vs 80%.. to save their hands the additional desiccation from higher proof product. Especially considering we cant ad anything but glycerin to our products as an emollient. I've read and understood that FET relief only comes from producing according to FDA/WHO recipe... but that doesnt seem to be what "the people" want

Ok i did some due diligence on it and everything seems legit now... The guys from Gr Buffalo are just handling the bulk spirits side of things for Chrome, which purposefully decided not to include the ethanol side of their business on that website. I just spoke on the phone with the head guy. Sorry to cause any concern

Has anyone tried purchasing from this guy? I reached out, and they only have 200 proof in stock. I've asked several times for their DSP number and company info so we could fill out a transfer in bond, and both times the request has been ignored. He did send a pro-forma invoice.. but the information on that invoice is for a company called Chrome Diagnostics... https://www.chromediagnostics.com/ which apparently does indoor LED lighting and doesnt appear to have anything to do with spirits production This is starting to raise some red flags for me. Just curious if anyone has had similar contact. Thanks

Some of us have "been doing" for 2 weeks... Doesn't mean we can't be cerebral about it Good luck out there

I've been wondering this very thing.

Hoochware just put out a calculator too https://www.hoochware.com/calculate/handsanitizer

great call! I just bought out my smart and final, they only had 4 gal of 3%.. but ill be getting some 30-35% from our local labpro tomorrow.

The form on DISCUS may or may not help distilleries connect with vendors looking to help supply necessary ingredients https://www.distilledspirits.org/distillers-responding-to-covid-19/

well per the link above from bluestar https://americancraftspirits.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Ethanol-for-Hand-Sanitizer-FINAL-3.24.20.pdf , these agencies are not talkin to each other... no real shock there Formula guidance for the manufacture of hand sanitizer: TTB is authorizing the manufacture of hand sanitizer products consistent with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance. All TTB-permitted DSPs (including AFPs and beverage DSPs) may manufacture hand sanitizer products that are comprised of denatured or undenatured ethanol, glycerol (not less than 1.45% of the finished hand sanitizer product on a volume basis), and hydrogen peroxide (not less than 0.125% of the finished hand sanitizer product on a volume basis), without first obtaining formula approval from TTB.

I checked with Archer Daniels yesterday and they said they'd be out for the foreseeable future.

it was really slow for my browser too.. i had to switch to a different browser.. but the link did eventually work EDIT.. i just checked the link again and it loaded WAY faster.. maybe their system was overloaded earlier

Dont want to muddy the waters as i think this has been a very informative thread.... just wanted folks to be aware of this by the American Craft Spirits Association (???) https://americancraftspirits.org/product/complimentary-webinar-hand-sanitizer-from-regulation-to-production/

The answer to this question is likely heavily dependant on the type of still you are running, and therefore very subjective. (perhaps adding pictures of yours, or listing the make/manufacturer might help?) We dont run anything lower than 130 proof on our still, which is when fatty acids (turquoise floaties) start to appear (obviously depending on type of base material we're distilling) However, we have the only still like ours in the US, so i doubt anyone uses the same settings we do.

I hadnt thought about that either... given these are used bourbon barrels... what do you guys do? use a sander and sand off the previous DSP information?

And this is why im not too worried, because i can trace all the barrels, to all the gauge records and package records. I can account for each drop, which ,i'd think, is really what they care about. Still, it had not occurred to me to staple labels to the barrels.. the only reason I've done it how i have was because all attempts to affix paper labels to parts of the barrels have failed I think I will give staples a try, since my barrel heads are already pretty crowded with jack daniels identification information Thanks for all that info though! much appreciated

maybe so... cross that bridge when we come to it

of course as soon as i post a question... i find my own answer! sheesh.. oh well,, for the group, so you dont have to hunt https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/19.485

Hi all, hoping the neural network can help me out here, im going nuts. I know there is a TTB form or circular somewhere that gives the rules for how to create a barrel identification string, I know it exists because i have used it before... but for the life of me, i cant find it anymore. I DID find this page: https://ttb.gov/spirits/common_compliance_tax_issues-during-audits-ds.shtml But i know there is a part where it says you use the 2 digits of the year, then letters A - L to represent which month, then the 2 digit day... but i cant find that page, nor to i remember if anything else needs to be in the string. Help? thanks

I have been printing stickers with the pertinent information on the rack underneath the barrels, then covering the stickers with clear tape to protect. probably not strictly legal, but when using reused barrels that already have info printed on the heads, there's not much room for new info. hopefully any auditor would see we're making best effort

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