BTW, this whole thing is a fabric of lies and personal insults. Having Dave Vander Griend built stills is nothing to be ashamed of. I'm sure Jeff you have never heard of him or his work. You've never seen my permits? Okay, I've never seen yours either. Also if you would like to insult the still that me and my father built please take down the photo on your Facebook page of your product sitting on it! Didn't have a problem with it then when you were claiming it was yours! I'm done! Have a great day with your "copper lined" stills that you "filter" your vodka through. Again, I'm done. See ya soon neighbor.