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  1. I am not gonna start chasing obscure codes and a lot of it is going to depend on where you are and if they blindly accept IBC/IFC or a hybridized version of them or something else completely but I think ultimately this is going to come down to 1) where you are in the country and 2) the individual spaces rating and overhead clearance. For instance I believe you could stack 6 high in the right place with the right racks (h3 room with XP fixtures) but I think you could probably do 5 or maybe even 6 high in the right room as well, for instance if you had enough clearance to be more than 5/6 feet from a non XP light fixture in an s1 or similar space. End of day the cheapest answer (if you don't get caught) is to do what you want but the best answer which is often cheapest down the line and actually legal is to get a variance to accommodate the storage that you want that best fits the reality of the limitations of the physical space you're in. Very few people on here have dotted their iOS and crossed their ts on ETOH storage compliance, and ultimately they're fine as long as no one ever comes knowing to check, with growth of industry in last few years we are bound to see some failures in facilities pretty soon that will lead to more scrutiny for compliance. I recommend to anyone who will listen, there's only one way to do things and thats the right way the first time.
  2. Depending on your scale scope and goals you probably don't need an actual rickhouse. A Rickhouse is IP owned by the Busick family of KY on their method of constructing barrel storage warehouse that allow multiple floors of vertical storage in a safe manner that meets all parameters for standards of identity. They are functional and purposefully designed when it comes to stability, establishment of microclimates, ventilation, and process flow. Most people but barrels in a warehouse or a barn and they are fine. Some people get creative and store in all type of wild and fun ways, like Conex Boxes, in Caves, In hillsides, on floating barges. None of these are "rickhouses" but they're all really great functional ways to age spirits and subject them to terroir, so different way to skin same cat. Actual Rickhouses are very expensive and they are also somewhat "fussy". They like to be full and don't like waiting for you to fill them so best to have most of the inventory ready to go in when yu build. Can always put ricks inside of a structure or racking of another type or anything, but then technically not a rickhouse,. Buzick will take your cold call and will sub out to your contractors if thats the route you want to go, or they will build your whole thing out. We got our built out by them because it helped with the zoning issues we were having. Rickhouse in most cases would require a variance, most people don't build them so never bother to get variances for their alternative solutions. If you think an actual rickhouse is something for you feel free to shoot me a PM ill shoot you straight on it or just call them, we have a five story Rickhouse built by Buzick and we love it and currently its actually full. Lots of alternatives.
  3. If anyone picks this up I will offer my services FREE OF CHARGE for help[ on install/planning/ any restoration or rejuvenation that may need to be done under the condition that I can run it one time once we have it commissioned! Good luck with sale, hopefully someone picks it up and hits me up! Cheers, Slick
  4. The odds of you finding a vendome for sale used smaller than 500 gallons is minuscule at best unless you scour this site and every other avenue daily for the next 18 months. I have seen 3 Vendome pots come up for sale in the last 12 months only one of them was under 500 gallons. Vendome didn't invent the still, they've just been phenomenal metal workers for ages. They produce a very specific honed and amazing set of machines but even the cheapest spray cans make art worth millions, you don't always need to paint with a horsehair brush.
  5. You are all good bro! I will answer bulleted below! -Loud and clear on the AP keep that thing clean and calibrate it often! Most people don't! That is a precision lab instrument that makes its way onto the floor so maintenance and calibration are doubly important for it. Another tip is to make sure you are using it properly, a lot of people don't get accurate measures off them and its great to keep in mind that your rep will run you through how to use it anytime they're onsite, always great to just demo for them how you use the equipment before they try to teach you anything because they may miss later mistakes addressing earlier ones. -Loud and clear on this one as well.... How do you gauge final spirits then? Hydrometer? -Loud and clear and sounds good. May be a good idea to certify it against the AP for the proof ranges you're in. Also reiterating to all employees SOP of reading and recording and converting temps, as well as standardize y'alls gauging protocols (where you round, how many decimals into a calculator pre rounding, how the temp is actually taken etc.). -Whoever is managing the system you're drawing from likely has to publish or make available too you tests on a relatively consistent basis (like quarterly, annually, monthly, etc) you can ask for that from them at any time. It is always a good decision to test against that which it looks like you've done already and thats good! Water is not consistent, seasons, operators, equipment, all get in the way of consistent water. You can't analyze it enough. Know your ingredients.
  6. Hey fuck yeah! Don't mind if I do! PM'd
  7. I could be mistaken but in original quote he mentioned its a 2000 liter figgins reciprocating, which Ive looked into in the past but have never run. I have sent Rusty some white dog samples he is lightly active on here but not a lot of media out or anything about them. If I am correct it is one of these https://www.stilldragon.org/discussion/1728/usa-nc-sale-2000l-electric-figgins-reciprocating-still additional info https://www.stilldragon.org/discussion/673/the-figgins-reciprocator Possibly was or still is procured by Minnetonka https://www.mtka-bec.com/skins/skin_1/images/distillingequip.pdf I don't believe it actually has active steam control to reciprocate I imagine that just happens from natural fluctuations in steam pressure of the two vapor streams competing for flow capacity. You can see what im referring to in some of the pics there's a Lyne arm that connects both stills with a T in the middle that feeds the bottom of the shared column. I have mentioned multiple times to Rusty that I would fly anywhere in the country to run one of these and pay for the OH and labor of prep and clean up and source materials of the runs to try one out but I haven't gotten a response back to that. Would meet you there to do it brother we could make a vid! Cheers, Slick
  8. Are you familiar with the design of the still they're running? It is other unique.... I haven't run one yet but I would really like to, essentially running one column off two kettles.... allegedly the kettles end up pulsing in a way, reciprocating vapor flow from one to the other into the base of the column. It makes sense, one kettle has vapor flow into base of column, eventually dropping subtly in steam pressure, kettle that want pushing through build up a little pressure and overtakes flowing into the column etc. etc. What I'm getting at here is not a very efficient still to run in terms of speed, and especially poor in terms of single pass off grain. IMO it would make so much more sense to run both of the kettles concurrently directly into the condenser as a stripping run with no reciprocating slow down and no fraction pulling or attempt to stack a very inconsistent stressed vapor stream, then run a finishing run. I think that the best way to run any still is variable based on inputs and product goals. For instance, the way you mentioned to run the still isn't how I would do it, especially given the mechanics of this specific system. I would make this assertion about any single pass run on grain so its nothing personal, but especially on this system. While I am playing devils advocate to a point here as I do understand the value of single passes in very limited instances, it would seem to me that running with no depgh for a stripping run would be a shorter run (no fractionation, no stacking of heads, no stacking of tails) requiring less steam (less time), less water (no variation of depgh flow) and less physical man hours on the overhead of the liquid produced. There are a bunch of reactions driven in the kettle that I believe point to better whiskey being made in shorter distillation runs. Especially on grain. Thats just me though. Running like this would they perhaps able to run two strips (actually literally four kettles) in a single day? Overhead way down on that liquid. Obviously you can poke holes in this, more runs more OH costs come back more energy costs but I believe it is a more efficient faster way to process a bunch of cooks (production runs) and provides more consistency. If you stripped twice, charged with low wines, and then did a second finishing run, you can get more PGs through the run, you can operate with more precision on your cuts, and harvest larger fractions which can help when operators have problems managing smearing. As well, the end result of those two runs is much much much much more consistent for barrel maturation. Millions of ways to skin a cat, and in terms of operating a single pass I don't disagree with your advice, but systemically I believe stripping and finishing is better for business, especially with the realities of this stills construction.
  9. I have some questions about your gauging. When was try last time your AP was serviced and calibrated? Do you use your AP for multiple product lines (i.e. finished liquors/cordials, flavored or sweetened products, finished whiskeys [wine finishes, other spirit finishes) etc. Do you follow the manufacturers reccomended cleaning protocol for your AP As for your hydrometers, are they certified and accurate? How old are they? Have you integrity tested them against each other? Using city water in the depgh is a very very very inconsistent input. Especially if the SOP is run it wide open. Colder media in requires less flow than warmer media, same flow rate of a colder media runs a deeper neg thermal load than a warmer one. It is possible to run a depgh too hard but I don't think thats the case here (you would notice this as a problem more in trying to maintain 100% reflux, but thats almost what it looks like you're doing)...... with that last parenthetical in mind is your still able to hold 100% reflux at all? As well if you adjusted your positive energy flow (steam) and not your negative flow (protocol for depgh at fully open at 200 f) there's an operational change that has changed the thermal dynamics of your system. May not be the case but it could be something to look at. Finally, how's the water you cook with? Cheers, Slick
  10. This is 100% the best thread and conversation on this forum in the last 3 years. Thank you all.
  11. Probably easier to just work with a preexisting importer, hit up my buddy Gene in Iowa
  12. If they knew your idea was diffusion through earth (in the states pollution) they may reinterpret that code. Big enough set backs around buildings though and you can probably get anything done. In the states our best practices have us addressing leakers and spills as they come up and codes are more to address catastrophic failure. So best practices a leaky barrel should be removed, repaired, and returned to resting. Any fluid pooled should be addressed at this time as well. A failing or failed rickhouse should have a perimeter that can be secured to mitigate excess property damage of surrounding as well as injury to responders. For instance our 7800 barrel 5 story rickhouse has concrete floor without drains, and it is situated in a containment "moat" or divot in the earth. In the states, H3 coding focuses on containment and ventilation, but a lot of the variances allowed to our building codes for ethanol storage are granted because the actual reality of true catastrophic failure is total inventory loss. The goal for responders is not to put the fire out its to contain it and let it burn out itself usually (time and strategic dilution). Here they govern the bigs and littles differently here. Traditional H3 works really well for people under a certain threshold. Once you have 1000s of barrels of inventory the fire code needs variances (adoption of Kentucky Code) for safety's sake. Both of them have us using concrete.
  13. What is your grains mill specs
  14. I just want to run a DYE its one of the only manufacturers I haven't run
  15. You need to sell that many bottles to break even but one thing you will learn is a lot of people who come aren't going to purchase something for $30. It was really beneficial for us to develop merch that people WANTED to purchase, and making sure we had things for people to buy in the $10 and $20 price range too. One thing to realize is what you think is fun or cool often won't resonate widely. Creating merch that is "vanilla", fits and feels well, and you can sell for 15-20 at great margin will bankroll a lot of ferments. If you're clever funny and have great taste creative shirts can make you a lot of cash too, but you'd be surprised how much vanilla ice cream you will still sell even when you have your favorite cotton candy, chocolate balsamic, and strawberry mint milkshakes on the table. The same applies to your products and labels too to a point. While there of course will be people who won't buy anything over 10/20 bucks, there's also going to be a shit ton of people (if your doing a good job) who will buy ANYTHING to support your business. So merch, of various value, is very valuable. Cocktails should drive a lot of your revenue. People on here probably won't be honest, but most facilities at what I imagine your size is going to be from your break even number and aforementioned production goals are doing 75-90% of their revenue through their tasting room. Make sure yours is on point, and you're ready to work weekends. Welcome to your money's burn barrel.
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