GCD Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Just wondering if anyone has ever purchased barrels of aged product from MGP and gotten completely empty barrels. I buy the barrels through Ultra Pure and I purchased 5 barrels of 2016 bourbon. When they arrived 2 of the 5 barrels were BONE DRY- not even damp. The barrels were pallet stored (filled through the head) and the barrels were produced by Speyside cooperage in Ohio. I have had another barrel from Speyside that leaked so bad I had to move the product to another barrel. From every one I talk to MGP will normally make this situation right but after a month and a half they said "tough luck" we sell barrels "as is, where is". We only source a little from MGP so we are not important enough for them to make this right. This is the worst business practice ever. I get that there will be some loss for angel's share and some minor barrel seepage but empty after 4 years is just BS. They also charged freight on full barrels so that is FRAUD. I am going to take legal action so if there is anyone else in the same boat let me know. Maybe class action suit. BTW I normally buy new make so have not had issues. This is the first time buying aged product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveflintstone Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 You buy barrels through Ultra Pure. Why are you contacting MGP? Ultra Pure took your money. You're barking up the wrong tree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCD Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 I do purchase through Ultra Pure and I did bark up their tree...a lot. They did credit me for one barrel. Regards MGP- they shipped the barrels and they do the bill of lading and they knew the barrels were empty when they loaded them. The driver who delivered them told me they were empty and he does not handle barrels for a living. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silk City Distillers Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 LTL Freight guys got a killer barrel proof pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dehner Distillery Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 10/8/2020 at 7:20 PM, GCD said: Just wondering if anyone has ever purchased barrels of aged product from MGP and gotten completely empty barrels. I buy the barrels through Ultra Pure and I purchased 5 barrels of 2016 bourbon. When they arrived 2 of the 5 barrels were BONE DRY- not even damp. The barrels were pallet stored (filled through the head) and the barrels were produced by Speyside cooperage in Ohio. I have had another barrel from Speyside that leaked so bad I had to move the product to another barrel. From every one I talk to MGP will normally make this situation right but after a month and a half they said "tough luck" we sell barrels "as is, where is". We only source a little from MGP so we are not important enough for them to make this right. This is the worst business practice ever. I get that there will be some loss for angel's share and some minor barrel seepage but empty after 4 years is just BS. They also charged freight on full barrels so that is FRAUD. I am going to take legal action so if there is anyone else in the same boat let me know. Maybe class action suit. BTW I normally buy new make so have not had issues. This is the first time buying aged product. I have bought about 300 barrels from MGP, only 1 has been bone dry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCRob Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Sorry to say it, but you shouldn't have accepted the delivery. If the BOL stated full barrels and you signed for it even when the driver pointed out that 2/5 barrels were empty I'm afraid you can't entirely place blame on the supplier. For all you know (not saying this is likely, but it's possible) they could have been emptied in transit. If your complaints fall on deaf ears, all you can really do is vote with your feet and not use the broker/supplier again. I don't have much experience buying sourced product, but I thought normal practice anyway was to pay per proof gallon/LAA and have it delivered in a tote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlickFloss Posted November 3, 2020 Share Posted November 3, 2020 I procured 200,903 barrels for clients, aged product and new fills, last year. MGP will make good on any empty barrels that make their way to your facility if you bought the barrels from them. If you bought through one of their partners which utilized them for storage you will be out of luck if that supplier decides not to make you whole. Our guys will usually flag barrels upon loading and credit customers accounts instead of sending them dry, but again I am a broker for them I'm not just using them for storage. I have seen/heard from clients of less than 200 barrels delivered dry, I would estimate I have sourced about 1.6M barrels from MGP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCD Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 11/3/2020 at 9:31 AM, SlickFloss said: I procured 200,903 barrels for clients, aged product and new fills, last year. MGP will make good on any empty barrels that make their way to your facility if you bought the barrels from them. If you bought through one of their partners which utilized them for storage you will be out of luck if that supplier decides not to make you whole. Our guys will usually flag barrels upon loading and credit customers accounts instead of sending them dry, but again I am a broker for them I'm not just using them for storage. I have seen/heard from clients of less than 200 barrels delivered dry, I would estimate I have sourced about 1.6M barrels from MGP. Thanks for the feedback. I did switch to buy direct from MGP. I think it will be ok now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCD Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 10/30/2020 at 5:15 PM, BCRob said: Sorry to say it, but you shouldn't have accepted the delivery. If the BOL stated full barrels and you signed for it even when the driver pointed out that 2/5 barrels were empty I'm afraid you can't entirely place blame on the supplier. For all you know (not saying this is likely, but it's possible) they could have been emptied in transit. If your complaints fall on deaf ears, all you can really do is vote with your feet and not use the broker/supplier again. I don't have much experience buying sourced product, but I thought normal practice anyway was to pay per proof gallon/LAA and have it delivered in a tote? Yes you are right about accepting delivery. It was just that I was in a rush and felt like it would be taken care of by Ultra Pure. They did credit one barrel. And the barrels were BONE DRY and I put water in one and measured the leakage and they would have been empty 54 days after filling. Thanks for your reply. I got busy and forgot to check back here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GCD Posted May 6, 2021 Author Share Posted May 6, 2021 On 10/28/2020 at 7:32 PM, Dehner Distillery said: I have bought about 300 barrels from MGP, only 1 has been bone dry. Yes the % of this order was way above "normal" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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