MGP reporting

[adamOVD]

I'm doing a small botting contract that involves bending some MGP whiskey the customer purchased. I had them ship it in a Tote, after hearing horror stories about dealing with their barrels, and thinking the Tote would be simple and come with all the pertinent info. I tried asking for a sample of their gauging reports before it shipped, but they refused, saying they had no blank examples, and couldn't reveal customer information. Figured they do this all the time, and I shouldn't stress about it.

When the tote came, there was no Proofing or Gauging info, and after requesting it, they gave me numbers that were completely off. I realize 1 tote is nothing to them, but it still seems insane to me that the biggest Distillery in the US so lax when it comes to reporting. Just wondering if my experience is unique or not.

[FIVE x 5 Consulting]

Unfortunately, underdocumented TIBs are a plague. I see it all the time on tiny drums, large lots of barrels, totes, etc.  Operations sized small, medium and large are all guilty.

You are supposed to gauge the tote upon receipt. If your gauge does not match the sending proprietor's gauge, you're supposed to notify TTB of the discrepancy.

If the gauge data provided by MGP is way off, I'd use your own gauge as the basis for the TIB receipt (for your recordkeeping and reporting purposes). Write down what happened, tell the story.

You might also tell MGP that - unless they can provide gauge records that pass a sniff test - you're going to tell TTB about the discrepant shipment. This may expedite the production of proper records...

At the end of the day, you are not responsible for mistakes made by other DSPs. Do your own gauging and rely on that - follow the regs. No need to stress - it's not your problem.

[Golden Beaver Distillery]

For what it's worth, with the cost of barrels these days, we bring in our MGP whiskey in by barrel. We then use the freshly dumped barrels for our whiskey saving us the cost of the barrel. 

[adamOVD]

@FIVE x 5 Consulting I took my own records, and let them know the discrepancy, and that I'd be using my own measurements for the bond transfer value. Didn't get any response, but will save the e-mails, just in case. Thanks. 

 

@Golden Beaver Distillery I'm hoping this was one off project, but that's a great idea. Do you know if make their own barrels, or where they get them from?

[whiskeytango]

48 minutes ago, adamOVD said:

@FIVE x 5 Consulting I took my own records, and let them know the discrepancy, and that I'd be using my own measurements for the bond transfer value. Didn't get any response, but will save the e-mails, just in case. Thanks. 

 

@Golden Beaver Distillery I'm hoping this was one off project, but that's a great idea. Do you know if make their own barrels, or where they get them from?

 

my last order had barrels from

both  ISC and speyside 

[Golden Beaver Distillery]

19 hours ago, adamOVD said:

 

@Golden Beaver Distillery I'm hoping this was one off project, but that's a great idea. Do you know if make their own barrels, or where they get them from?

As @whiskeytango stated, always solid cooperages (Spyside or ISC). What we're after is good initial bourbon that we can benefit from in a second use barrel. The Scotts have been doing it for years with their single malts, we're doing it now with our rice whiskey. 

[adamOVD]

Yeah I already use my barrels twice, and designate each product as aging in a first or second use barrel.