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seeing the US definition for Gin, is it right to understand that

- the use of neutral spirit is not legally necessary for Gin production except for compound Gins

- the distillation can be done in ANY kind of still

Is this correct?

Thanks FORESHOT

I think there seems to be some issue in the use of the terms base spirit and the final redistillation that incorporates the gin/juniper flavours 

One last set of questions for utter clarity.  lease just state YES or NO

 1  the US definition does accept gins that are directly pot distilled from mash over botanicals (as the EU definition does NOT  they insist on NGS compounded or redistilled (steeping or vapour infused)

2.

3 hours ago, Foreshot said:

GIN - Spirits with a main characteristic flavor derived from juniper berries produced by distillation or mixing of spirits with juniper berries and other aromatics or extracts derived from these materials and bottled at not less than 40% alcohol by volume (80 proof).

Do you mean distillation or redistillation or either in the above?

3.  Is the base spirit used Neutral Grain Spirit (NGS) when redistilling or compounding with botanicals?

4. Can original or direct distillation also refer to continuous still distillation from a mash?

5. If one does an original distillation from mash in a continuous still and then introduces the botanicals (say in a finishing continuous still run) , will this be regarded as redistillation too or is redistillation always in a pot still for flavour incorporation

6. If one makes a pot still gin and introduces the botanicals in the second or third distillation is that taken as re-distillation or original distillation ?

Thank you each one who contributed to answer these 'theoretical question'

Yes friends, I am coming from a pure theoretical background.....

Language is not  a barrier....culture …. perhaps!

I need to understand the term "original distillation from mash" in detail for my project as it appears in the US definition of GIN

My understanding: original distillation from mash could be done in continuous stills or pot stills.  When done in pot stills it would require at least two or more distillations to get the alcohol content upto a respectable purity.  Hence my query was to understand

whether the flavour of juniper and other botanicals are introduced during the fist run of pot distillation or the second (or third).  If during second distillation would it be regarded as a redistillation or original distillation

would this be done by steeping the botanicals or vapour infusing them

I hope I am clearer now

Thank you

if a pot still is used what would constitute made from original distillation from mash 

Introducing the flavour of botanicals during (I) first pot distillation run (ii) subsequent pot distillation runs (iii) either

Would the botanicals be steeped or vapour infused?

or is the second and subsequent run in a pot still considered re-distillation?

and what if the flavours were introduced in a second or finishing run of a patent still  (assuming the spirit is made from a mash in a patent still) is that too considered a redstillation (rather than an original distillation)?

In a patent still, would the botanicals be steeped or vapour infused?

I am a student of alcodemics and am doing my research project on Gin.

I understand the difference in the way distilled Gin is defined in US and EU

I need to understand......

Is there a definite and direct connect between the term original distillation and the term pot distilled gins?

Thank you

I am a student of alcodemics and am doing my research project on Gin.

I understand the difference in the way distilled Gin is defined in US and EU

My understanding of Direct distillation is

In direct distillation (also called original distillation), a fermented grain mash is pumped into a still. Heat is applied and the spirit vapors rise though the still and through a “gin head” at the top of the still that holds juniper and other botanicals  The gin head is a fixture that holds the mix of botanicals though which the vapors pass and extract the flavours

My questions are

Is an original or direct distillation carried out in pot stills or patent stills?

Won't these gins have a heavy body if done in pot stills?

Will they not require minimum two runs if done in a pot still and are the botanicals exposed to vapours in the first run, second run or both?

The result would be classified as juniper based spirit as per EU  (rather than gin, distilled gin or London gin) assuming the predominance of Juniper - is this right? 

Thank you

I am a student of alcodemics and am doing my research project on Gin.

I understand the difference in the way distilled Gin is defined in US and EU

My question is

When making distilled Gin the neutral spirit is redistilled (in the presence of botanicals).  Can this re-distillation be carried out in  patent stills or only in traditional pot/alembic/carterhead stills?  and if it can be done in patent stills, may I assume both steeping and vapour infusion techniques may be used? 

I also notice that the word traditional is no longer included in the EU law when describing how London dry gin should be produced.  The word was never there when describing distilled Gin

Thank you