Pyrate Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Hey Guys, we have problems with the Primera 360/362 labeler. Maybe some of guys can provide help. The Primera 360/362 has a small pin that is pushed by the label. This pin is the sensor which checks start and ending of a label. So, now what's the problem: every 10 to 15 labels one label sticks to this small pin. This does not only destroy the label and we have to manually scratch it from the bottle, we also need to clean the sensor pin after that because its becoming very sticky from the label-glue. I am looking for a similar labeler to the Primera 360/362 without such a pin. Maybe there are labeler that have an optical sensor instead of that mechanical pin? Do you have any tipps for me? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glisade Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Had the same issues with the mechanical version of the Bottle-Matic, sold it and bought the optical version instead and now everything is good. https://www.propacksolutions.com/bottle-matic-os-label-applicator.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrate Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 @glisade Thank you, optical sensor is exactly what I am looking for. Has the optical sensor any Cons? I can't find the Bottle-Matic with Optical Sensor in Europe... Are there any other alternatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glisade Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I don't know of any other alternatives other than probably the more automated labelers. It solved all my issues, same as what is happening with you. No cons yet. I use two labels: a single label that goes on a cylindrical bottle and a front and back label that goes on a tapered bottle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiskeytango Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 8 hours ago, Pyrate said: Hey Guys, we have problems with the Primera 360/362 labeler. Maybe some of guys can provide help. The Primera 360/362 has a small pin that is pushed by the label. This pin is the sensor which checks start and ending of a label. So, now what's the problem: every 10 to 15 labels one label sticks to this small pin. This does not only destroy the label and we have to manually scratch it from the bottle, we also need to clean the sensor pin after that because its becoming very sticky from the label-glue. I am looking for a similar labeler to the Primera 360/362 without such a pin. Maybe there are labeler that have an optical sensor instead of that mechanical pin? Do you have any tipps for me? Thank you! We use one all the time. We have seen this issue with some of the thinner labels. What shape is your label? If you can set that tab so that it catches on part of the label that is not flat it will work way better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naked Spirits Distillery Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 We have run into the same issue. As Whiskey Tango stated, we switched paper on our labels (suggestion from our label provider) and that seems to have solved the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelAtTCW Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 10:32 AM, Pyrate said: @glisade Thank you, optical sensor is exactly what I am looking for. Has the optical sensor any Cons? I can't find the Bottle-Matic with Optical Sensor in Europe... Are there any other alternatives? Check out Ferrinox labelers in Italy. We sell their labelers here in the US, but I believe they have representation all over Europe. Their labelers are pretty much bomb-proof. The FX-10 uses optical sensors. There are no real cons to optical sensors except if your label is clear. Then it may require a special sensor that is more expensive to detect the edge of the label reliably. Optical sensors may require recalibration if you're switching labels, but it's very simple to do. Takes a couple of minutes. Labelers that use optical sensors are also more expensive than mechanical sensors like on the Bottle-Matic/Primera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyrate Posted February 24, 2022 Author Share Posted February 24, 2022 We tried a different paper for our labels and indeed it did get better. But we do not like this paper and want to switch back 😉 The Ferrinox seems to be a bigger device and more expensive. We are looking in the Primera price range... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VKPAK Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Hi Pyrate Pls check https://www.vkpak.com/semi-automatic-labeling-machine/vk-t801-semi-automatic-round-bottle-labeling-machine.html If you are interested please contact me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cru Bottling Systems Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Hi Pyrate - we are a distributor for Dispensa-Matic labelers and have a great optical sensor solution to those who are having issues with that metal pin. The metal pin has been eliminated and replaced with an optical sensor so that no part of the sticky label touches a pin. Please reach out to me steve@crusystems.com or check us out at crusystems.com. We specialize in small to medium sized distilleries and have pricing that's lower than the manufacturer for these benchtop labelers. You can expect to bottle 1000+ per hour. These are workhorses and a staple in the industry. Thank you! -Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enzymeman Posted June 16, 2022 Share Posted June 16, 2022 On 2/22/2022 at 8:04 AM, Pyrate said: Hey Guys, we have problems with the Primera 360/362 labeler. Maybe some of guys can provide help. The Primera 360/362 has a small pin that is pushed by the label. This pin is the sensor which checks start and ending of a label. So, now what's the problem: every 10 to 15 labels one label sticks to this small pin. This does not only destroy the label and we have to manually scratch it from the bottle, we also need to clean the sensor pin after that because its becoming very sticky from the label-glue. I am looking for a similar labeler to the Primera 360/362 without such a pin. Maybe there are labeler that have an optical sensor instead of that mechanical pin? Do you have any tipps for me? Thank you! We have had a similar issue and found that the sensor has picked up glue from the labels. Cleaning it periodically seems to resolve the issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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