firefighter75 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Being we will be a very small facility, our secure and bonded storage area will only be about 300 sq ft. Is it allowable to bond an area inside the production space and store barrels on racks there even though it is not a secure area? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3d0g Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 My understanding is production space is a bonded area as there's taxable alcohol in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyeWater Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 You can also consider finding a location elsewhere that is cheap to store barrels. I believe it has to be within 10 miles from the DSP though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter75 Posted January 24, 2015 Author Share Posted January 24, 2015 So if the production area is bonded, will that cause a problem with the bathroom being on the opposite end of the space from the non bonded area? The public would have to cross the bonded area to get to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenstraw Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 It is going to largely depend on state legislation as well. In PA, it is a little more difficult for a limited distillery to get approval to extend its operations to a site that is non-adjacent. I don't the bathroom issue is that big. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if members of the public are not permitted in a bonded area then how would any provide facility tours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scutter Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Along the lines of discussion here, can someone enlighten me as to what sort of facility/infrastructure you need to have from a zoning or TTB standpoint to store liquor in barrels? I was recently at the ADI conference and recall someone saying that "as long as its in a barrel it doesn't count" and you can store as much as you want so long as you have sprinklers. Then, at one of the sessions someone said that, unless you are zoned "high hazard/H3" you could only store up to 240 gallons on site even you have to have sprinklers. We are looking to renovate an old barn which will have sprinklers, but would not be zoned H3. Just wondering what sort of ageing limitations we might face on site or, if we store in a separate bonded facility, what sort of infrastructure that facility will need to look for. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dhdunbar Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 This is totally a matter of fire and zoning codes. TTb does not enforce or give one whit about zoning compliance, sprinklers or limits on the amount you store in a particular building, provided you have adequate bond. There is no authority in law for them to give an official damn about it. TTB does want the area to be secure against theft or any unauthorized entry. But that is it. Fire Marshall's have a different view of things. I'm not competent to comment on that any neither are most others, because Fire Marshall's often behave as feudal lords in their own fiefdom. Yes, there are provisions that removal spirits stored in wood barrels from the count. Be prepared to cite the authority for that statement. Ditto for zoning. You have to know the local codes. My advice is to talk with those who make these decisions in your area. Be nice. But do your homework. Don't be blown off by bad answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluestar Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 So if the production area is bonded, will that cause a problem with the bathroom being on the opposite end of the space from the non bonded area? The public would have to cross the bonded area to get to it. We had to deal with this issue, as did others in our county. No, you can not both allow the bathroom to be officially available as a public bathroom (for example, to meet occupancy or health requirements) AND have it in the bonded area or need to cross the bonded area to get access. You can have a bathroom in there, but not treated as publicly accessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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