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  1. We continue to make honey spirit, but since my last posting, we now also do an absinthe blanche that uses the honey spirit as the base.
  2. With more case shipping for drop-ship distribution, self distribution, and retail sales shipments for spirits, the need has grown for FedEx/UPS approved shipping cartons as well. While many solutions exist, including molded pulp shipping cartons, for wine bottles, the dimensions are not quite suitable for many spirit bottles, including the very popular Nordic (aka Oslo, Stockholm) 750ml and 375ml. I am in discussions lithesome molded pulp packaging manufacturers about production of a suitable size for Nordic bottles. To make this happen would require a significant commitment likely from many distilleries or distributors that use the Nordic bottles, since it is not common with large producers. For example, for a molded pulp package to hold 12 bottles, an annual commitment of 50K units, with 15K units produced during a single run would be typical. I am interested in gauging the interest in such packaging.
  3. What should have been done years ago was to create an open source project on a GitHub for the small craft distillers. We are still rolling our own combination of spreadsheets and databases, because every time we check out a commercial solution, they are more expensive, and can't support our current workflow.
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    We are trying our hand at an allspice dram now. Any suggestions for its preparation would be helpful.
  5. We have been using the packaging from spiritedshippers as well, but it is NOT really a great choice if you are using the Nordic spirit bottles (750ml or 375ml). The 750ml are just a little too wide to properly fit, and the shoulder inserts don't match well. The 375ml will fit, but it wastes much space, half the box is empty. It is unfortunate no one appears to make a shipper designed for the Nordic, considering how common it is, as well as similarly sized/shaped bottles. Everything is sized for wine bottles.
  6. What are people currently using for 50ml (nip) bottles? We were using PET with 18mm PP Kerr tops? Or perhaps someone has some they want to unload?
  7. Depends on your quantity, unless very large quantity, you want to find a distributor, probably local, that works with multiple manufacturers.
  8. Yes, the vagaries of different methods of Gin production. I make both a Distilled Gin (no formula required) and a Redistilled Gin (formula required), so I understand what you mean precisely. But I think you just have to submit the formula, although as you say, if it is not currently being treated as GRAS, it might not get approved. For those that are interested, here is the last published update on that status: https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2018-11-13/pdf/2018-24662.pdf And it may not get approved, because it is known to cause uterine issues for pregnant women, so that might be a non-starter. By the way, if the consideration was maybe using it and avoiding prohibition by virtue of not requiring approval of a formula (as for Distilled Gin), of course we are bound to submit formulas by law if we intend to use anything that is not currently GRAS or otherwise limited use in production of spirits (like wormwood).
  9. Why do you think a colorant would not be allowed in gin? It would have to be in your formula, but gin can have any range of botanicals, and butterfly pea flower is just another botanical. There are no color requirements for gin.
  10. I have answered my question, you can delist after, and I did so. I have edited my original posting. Meanwhile, you can still sell product after de-registering and delisting, when you delist, you indicate the end of market date, which should match or be earlier than the expiration date of the last batch manufactured.
  11. Yes, we deregistered, and therefore have stopped production. But we still have some product on hand. Most we sell into our own shop, but I assume, like for spirits, we can transfer from manufacture to retail shop by means of invoice, and that the product can still be sold? The ACSA gives instructions now for delisting product, but if you have already deregistered, but it works after you deregister as well. Also note when you delist, you must indicate when marketing will end, which means the product you have already manufactured can be sold thereafter, until this deadline, according to information forwarded by the ACSA from HHS/FDA.
  12. Do we still need to deregister? Do we need to remove from market existing approved products?
  13. Note some have already de-registered before closing market activity of the products. We have rechecked, and you can delist the products after de-registering. You should also change the labeling to inactive.
  14. Well, in any case, we and a few other of our neighbor distilleries have de-registered effective 12/31/20, and obviously will stop making sanitizer, if we haven't already done so, until this is sorted out. I presume we can re-register if they decide to provide an exception for distilleries in the future.
  15. Sadly, many small distilleries made hand sanitizer in small quantities in an effort as much to be helpful as well to produce perhaps a small supplemental income stream, unaware of the impending fee of this magnitude. For such small facilities, given all the other difficulties during the epidemic, this will probably put them out of business.
  16. Definitely NOT alcohol burn. That is either just a function of proof, or of balance between proof and other flavors in the profile. Heat usually is a result of residual ketones.
  17. Hard to tell, since you are not using terminology that most of my friend distillers would employ. Alcohol burn is something very different from the "heat" of a new-make spirit: the latter will mellow with aging, the former changes ONLY with proof, or by being overpowered by other flavors. Are you tasting at 57%? I would expect anything over 100 proof to taste very alcoholic. Does that "heat" go away if you proof down to 80? Generally, I don't consider smooth the opposite of hot.
  18. I am assuming you don't mean something at the professional end like an HP Indigo? Those require space and expertise, are very expensive, and usually have be run with high % duty cycle to justify operation. If you mean something like the Primera line of printers, a would say they can be cost effective and reasonably straightforward to use. The most recent generation of printers have a reasonable printing rate for runs of a few to a few hundred labels, but too slow for 1000+, IMO. I have used both the older 810 and now the 900 extensively. For spirits, you are going to want to use pigment ink, not dye. And even then, you should consider you will need to coat or fix the labels afterwards, which turns out to be a more difficult problem than the printing if you don't want to do it manually with a spray can.
  19. 2 years in a 4 gallon! And little angel's share loss? That must be some dense oak. Don't know what YOU mean by hotter. Normally, I think of heat as resulting from ketones in virgin spirit, that aging almost always reduces. Now harsher is different than hotter. I would expect it to be harsh. Oddly, if you are not getting much angel's share loss, you could just leave it in the barrel, it might mellow out in a year or two. Also, how does it taste if you dilute it with large quantities of unaged rum? Say, 2-5 parts white to your 2yo? If one of those tastes good, you could make "light rum", which is a blend of aged and unaged rum.
  20. Okay, my problem is the excerpt on minimum proof in your text could be read differently then the excerpt I provided verbatim from the FDA footnote. The difference in punctuation could be meaningful. I find the Discus reply frustrating, because it doesn't really relay any justification or explanation for the use of lower proof alcohol, just says you only have to label with the final proof, which I already assumed. That is because from the punctuation of the footnote, I don't think the labeling mentioned for less than 189.8% refers to the final product, but to something else, and that is what my question is: what is being labeled at lower proof?
  21. 9 This is consistent with the USP and FCC grade requirements for purity. Lower ethanol content alcohol falls within this policy so long as it is labeled accordingly and the finished hand sanitizer meets the ethanol volume to content concentration of 80%. Can someone tell me what that footnote means? That is on the 94.9% alc by vol requirement on the ethanol for hand sanitizer. Some interpret that to say a lower proof can be used, but I can't find a corroboration of that interpretation. What is "labeled accordingly"? At first I thought it meant somewhere on the hand sanitizer, but I am suspecting they are saying if it is lower proof, but is labeled as meeting USP grade purity, it is okay, but that would mean it would not apply to distillers distilling below 94.9%, correct?
  22. Most of these are out of stock or can not ship to most states.
  23. aged product no smaller than 1 micron. unaged can be smaller.
  24. I was always curious about the ethanol inks. Okay, for the most part, everything will evaporate. But carbon black, as a powder (not while bound in ink) is a carcinogen, and the ethanol will be denatured. So you don't want any of that ink to get into your final product. Also, for spills, is the ethanol based ink more permanent than inks that use a different solvent? I've sometimes wondered if one wouldn't be better off with a low-toxicity water-based acrylic?
  25. We have used poly cone fermenters. The 60 gal have a pretty high angle cone, but we found the fermentation provides sufficient agitation for our mash bill to keep the solids moving and suspended until near the end of the fermentation. We have to stir things up before pumping over, otherwise, there is a solid plug at the bottom of the cone where the valve is, and you can't pump out. You need a good size valve on the exit, we are using 2" triclamp hardware there. Still, it was a bit of a challenge, so we switched over to 200 gal, with a much shallower cone. These work much better, although you still want a stir up before pump out.
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