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  1. Southernhighlander

    Anyone have experience w/ Affordable Distillery Equipment LLC??

    County seat, It's true that some manufacturers hesitate to do larger electric baine marie systems. We on the other hand do not. As long as you have enough amps to push enough BTUs to heat the vessel in a reasonable amount of time we, will build you an electrically fired still and or a mash cooker as large as you like. We have done several 250 and 300 gallon electric baine marie stills and two 500 gallon ones. The heat up times for them are the same as our smaller electric stills because the heating system produces the same number of BTUs per gallon as the smaller ones. We actually have electric over steam Baine Maries that utilize our open system pressurization module technology to produce 8 psi steam in the jacket which gives much faster run times than water or oil bath stills. We have had PID set point temp control for these stills for years now along with optional thermostatic valves to mechanically automate condenser and dephlegmator cooling as well as bubble plate column control. Within the next 3 or 4 weeks we are adding the option of complete computer automation for our baine maries. Our automated control systems are UL listed for class 1 div 2 or even class 1 div 1 if that is what you desire. UL listed prototypes of our automated distilling systems are in operation at a distillery here in MO. These automated control systems control all aspects of the distilling process. We will post more about this in the future. Of course we will keep selling our less expensive PID control systems that are built from all UL listed components and meet the NEC 409 requirements for control panels. What is the phase and voltage of your electrical system? How many amps is your main disconnect panel? what is your current amp draw during the operation of your distillery?
  2. Southernhighlander

    Anyone have experience w/ Affordable Distillery Equipment LLC??

    Jessica, email me paul@distillery-equipment.com and I will get right back to you with a quote Thanks
  3. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    In the situation were it is not required but adds little cost we go with components with the higher safety factor. By the end of next year we will go beyond just having our panels certified UL 509. By the end of next year the models that are baine marie stills now, will have a their own UL device listings. I know of no other vendors who sell stills with a complete UL device listing and asme rating for the entire still, that are steam fired by their own self contained heating system. No electrical inspector can fail one of them and our stills fired by low pressure steam are good for c1d1 already.
  4. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    In my drawing the 5' area is c1d2 and that is correct. What they did to you went above and beyond the code requirements, but of course they can do that, however a few get away with way less than what the codes require. I had one customer who owned the wells where his city got its water. He had a huge winery there already and he purchased some large distilling equipment from us including the low pressure steam boiler. I told him that everything would pass inspection and he said we don't have to worry about that. There won't be any inspections, and there weren't any. Here where I am no electrical or plumbing or building inspections are required and there are other places like that.
  5. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    All of our temp probe housings are good for class one div one on all of our stills as well.
  6. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    That sucks. Did they make the whole distilling area C1D1?. If so they went way above and beyond the requirements. My steam stills are good for class 1 division 1, as are our ethanol pumps, cip pumps and most of those of our competitors are not. We can build our baine marie stills so that they are good for class 1 div 1 but the customer had just as well buy a low pressure steam boiler from us, in that situation. Light switch enclosures and EX motors aren't that bad, but when you go to buy large NEMA7 enclosures, wahoo.
  7. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    You are correct concenin the codes and the drain. We could not find anything either. Basically, from what the customer has told me, the engineer beleives that since the interior of the still must be considered div 1 then the area around the drain valve must be div1 as well because it connects to the interior of the pot like the manway. Of course that defies common sense because there is no way that vapor can come out of the drain under normal operation or even under abnormal operation.
  8. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    Thatch, They did declare the area around the manway as class 1 div 1 but that does not cause me any problems because the agitator motor is for class 1 div 1 and that 3' area does not extend to cover any of the other parts of the electrical system . I have had other inspectors do the same and that area has never extended to cover any of the heating system components, so I have no issues with that. The problem is, as I stated in a post above, that the engineer classified the area 3' around the still pot's drain as a class 1 division 1 hazardous environment. Out of 287 stills in operation that has never happened before and it is incorrect according to the codes. The 3' area around the drain covers portions of the stills electric heating system which is good for class 1 div2 but not class 1 div 1. Upgrading the enclosures and conduit to class 1 div 1 will be very expensive. However you are correct in that these people are the boss and there is nothing to do but meet whatever requirements that they stipulate whether fair or unfair. We have several options, the first of which is to simply upgrade the heating system to class 1 div 1 but if that is too expensive I could buy the customers heating system back and simply change the still over to steam and the customer fires it with a small inexpensive low pressure steam boiler that sits outside of the hazardous areas. It is very frustrating and especially for the customer, but we will make it work out one way or another.
  9. Southernhighlander

    Bennett Stills

    I've never heard of them but there are new people getting into the equipment business all of the time now.
  10. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    Your statement is correct but there is the worry of having that classification forced on you, in areas that should be classified as class 1 div 2. I'm going to see if I can get my customer to come on and tell his part of the story.
  11. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    I converted the drawing to a jpg and it is below. We are currently working on an updated one that has a lot more info. I will post it when completed. For my liability I must say that if anyone uses this info they do so at their own risk.
  12. Southernhighlander

    Distilling Area Classification?

    Adam, We sent information to the customer to give to the civil engineer explaining that under normal operating conditions hazardous vapors are not present and that vapors are only present under abnormal operating condition. We explained about the 2 different classifications, class 1 div 1 covering areas where vapor is always present and class 1 div 2 covering areas where vapor is only present during abnormal operation. This all started when an electrical inspector called me while he was doing the inspection. He asked me what the classification was around the still and I said that except for the area around the parrot and the interior of the still, it was class 1 div 2 and I explained the size of that area. He then asked me where I got my info and I said that my employees and I had researched it very thoroughly and that our stills had passed all required inspections at almost 300 distilleries in the US, ( it turned out that including at least 3 in his own state). He asked me if I or anyone on my staff was a licensed engineer and I said no. He said that since I and no one on my staff was a degreed licensed engineer we could not make that evaluation. He said that the electrical heating system on the still was good for class 1 div 2 but he believed that the area around the still should be class 1 div 1 and that only the agitator was good for that. . He said that my customer would have to pay for an engineer to come out and give his recommendation and if I remember correctly the electrical inspectors decided who the engineer should be. I am always very nice and as helpful as possible to electrical inspectors. I'm not really sure why this one did what he did. I did email the electrical inspector lots of safety info after the above conversation. Below is a drawing that we started sending to customers fairly recently. We also sent it to the electrical inspector and the customer gave it to the civil engineer. We actually have a vent on our parrots that vents the ethanol vapor to the outside of the building, if the condenser goes down, so I'm not absolutely sure that the class1 div1 should be around it, but better safe than sorry and it does not affect any of our electrical components because they are all in the class 1 div 2 areas. Class 1 Division 1 Drawing-Layout1.pdf
  13. Southernhighlander

    ELI5: The Birectifier

    Please click on the link below to see the results of a google search, "CO2 to ethanol". https://www.google.com/search?q=ethonal+from+co2&rlz=1C1ASUC_enUS662US662&oq=ethonal+from+co2&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i59.12257j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
  14. In that case we should all send them our comments concerning the ongoing use of smaller barrels. I am going to email them now. I suggest that everyone else does the same.
  15. Brian, I think that you are misinterpreting the above. I think that you have it backwards. Currently the definition of an oak barrel (new oak container) is a "cylindrical oak drum of approximately 50 gallons capacity used to age bulk spirits", but they are seeking comments on whether small round and non cylindrical barrels should also be considered oak barrels because currently they are not. Looks to me like they are trying to accommodate craft distillers with the possibility of these changes.
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