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    PP body for spirit transfer pump

    in Equipment

    Posted

    On 10/4/2017 at 12:26 PM, MichaelAtTCW said:

    To ensure you're comparing apples to apples: part of the reason the G70 is more expensive is because it uses conductive materials that allow the pump to be fully groundable, thus granting it ATEX certification for safe pump operation in potentially dangerous or explosive atmospheres. Air diaphragm pumps have a lot of rapidly moving parts that can cause static build-up and discharge unless they're grounded, making them potentially unsafe if used around flammable products or vapors.

    Most air diaphragm pumps are not designed to be fully groundable. The ones that are groundable usually broadcast it pretty loudly by proclaiming ATEX/UL certification, or something like that. Groundable pumps are also usually more expensive than non-groundable pumps, as you've discovered.

    I'm sure Yamada makes some groundable pumps—they talk about having select ATEX and UL certified pumps here on their website. I'd be surprised if the Yamada you're comparing with the G70 is one of them.

    Hey Michael,

    I seem to recall us having this conversation before...but would it be possible to track down any documentation that indicates a UL rating (specifically NOT ATEX, which our fire guys do not accept as a recognized rating) for the SimpleSpirits AOD pump TCW sells?

    I managed to find the attached datasheet, but there's nothing that indicates which model this is for.

    Distillery Pump - UL Sheet.pdf

    Pulsing Still

    in Technique

    Posted

    Sounds like a back pressure issue. Did this just start ot has it always done that?

    Does it only do it when you're running at 95%if you lower it to 90 do you still get the pulsation?

    Might be useful to share a pic of the still.

    Proofing using Gauging Manual Table 6

    in Beginners

    Posted

    Not sure if this helps, but according to the gauging manual:

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    § 186.66 Table 6, showing respective volumes of alcohol and water and the specific gravity in both air and vacuum of· spirituous liquor.

    This table provides an alternate method for use in ascertaining the quantity of water needed to reduce the strength of distilled spirits by a definite amount. To do this, divide the alcohol in the given strength by the alcohol in the required strength, multiply the quotient by the water in the required strength, and subtract the water in t~1e given strength from the product. The remainder is the number of gallons of water to be added to 100 gallons of spirits of the given strength to produce a spirit of a required strength.

    Example:  It is desired to reduce spirits to 191 proof to 188 proof.
    We find that 191 proof spirits contains 95.5 parts alcohol and 5.59 parts water, and 188 proof spirits contains 94.0 parts alcohol and 7.36 parts water.
    95.5 (the strength of 100 wine gallons of spirits at 191 proof) divided by 94.0 (the strength of 100 wine gallons of spirits at 188 proof) = 1.01.

    7.36 (the water in 188 proof) multiplied by 1.01 = 7.43.
    7.43 less 5.59 (the water in 191 proof spirits) = 1.84 gallons of water to be added to each 100 wine gallons of 191 proof spirits to be reduced.

    This rule is applicable for reducing to any proof; but when it is desired to reduce· to 100 proof, it is sufficient to point off two decimals in the given proof, multiply by 53.73, and deduct the water in the given strength.. Thus, to reduce 112 proof spirits to 100 proof:
    1.12x53.73-47.75 =  12.42 gallons of water to be added to each 100 wine gallons of spirits to be reduced.
    This table may also be used to obtain ·the proof gallonage of spirituous liquor according to weight and percent of proof.
    Example
    It is desired to determine the number of gallons in 400 pounds of spirits of 141 percent of proof. Multiply the weight of one gallon of water in air by the specific gravity in air of the spirits-8.32823 by 0.88862-the product (7.40063) divided into 400 gives 54.049 wine gallons, which rounded to the nearest hundredth is 54.05 and multiplied by 1.41 gives 76.2 proof gallons. In rounding off where the decimal is less than five, it will be dropped; if it is five or over a unit will be added.
    (72 Stat. 1358; 26 U.S.C. 5204)

     

     

    Proofing

    in Technique

    Posted

    dont stress about it too much.

    as long as you are using certified stems, and a certified thermometer, should be just fine.

    We eyeballed our proofing using hydrometers and thermometers for 15 years before we got our DDM 2911... and when we did, we did some side by side comparisons.. our manual measuring was usually within .05 degrees of proof... we were pretty satisfied by that 

     

    That being said.. getting a density meter should be a goal of all distillers i think... these things are awesome. plug in a little sample, and badda bing badda boom your got your measurement AND records for proof

    Anyone have any experience with Everbrite Copper coating?

    in Equipment

    Posted

    When I called them to inquire about the product I specifically asked about the temperature range. I suggested that our still gets between 200 and 230 degrees and she said that wasn't a problem at all. If you click that first link apparently shelter Point Distillery used this application and they have this as a case study on their website period I actually put in a call to shelter Point Distillery to see if they were happy with the product I'm hoping somebody gets back to me.

    Anyone have any experience with Everbrite Copper coating?

    in Equipment

    Posted

    Hi All,

    Just wondering if anyone has used this product before: http://pro.everbritecoatings.com/portfolio/shelter-point-distillery/ (aside from shelter point obviously)
    As Im sure you can all relate to, polishing the still and keeping it nice and new penny shiny is a pain in the butt. I was just looking into any high heat coatings that might work for helping to keep the copper looking nice and came across this stuff.

    I spoke with tech services, and they said they did even make an ethanol resistant version of it, to protect against drips and what not.

    We currently use a citric acid wash to clean (or left over wine), and then we polish with a metal polish, but after a week of operations the luster wears off and its back to old penny look.

    Thoughts?

    Attn distilleries with multiple stills operating at once.

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    yes,  sorry. i got confused.  we're currently in non sprinklered, which is 30gal, but the new building is sprinklered. 

    i guess maybe when we started 19 years ago,  therr weren't many resources for "closed systems".

    ive seen pictures if some distilleries though that appear to be using 350 - 550 gal ss tanks that somehow qualify as closed? 

    can anyone confirm this,  maybe send a link or a picture ? maybe we're thinking too conservatively about  this

     

    thanks much 

    Attn distilleries with multiple stills operating at once.

    in General Discussion

    Posted

    Hi there,

    Was hoping to pick your brains about how you were able to arrange the operation of multiple stills concurrently, the output of which may exceed the allowed 90 gallons of flammable liquids in an F1 rated occupancy building.

    We are in the process of planning our expansion, and are trying to wrap our heads around how it would be possible to have 2 to 5 stills operating in the same space.

    Any chance folks would be willing to upload pics of their setup, and offer how you navigated the fire code/occupancy limits

    As always, much obliged.

    D.

    MSDS for Ethanol 85% Concentration

    in Local Issues

    Posted

    Just FYI... i think the GHS (global harmonized system) is moving to SDS as opposed to MSDS. unless i was just told that to sell me the service of printing shipping labels and DOT stickers.

    This is what we've been using, a google search might turn up something useful: CAS-NO. 64-17-5

    Also for the record, Beverage alcohol is UN3065, as opposed to UN1170 which is 190+

     

    PRODUCT NAME  CAS-NO. 64-17-5
    EU INDEX NO.
    EC (EINECS) NO.
    SYNONYMS, TRADE NAMES Ethyl Alcohol, Ethanol 50-90%
    APPLICATION Beverage Alcohol

    Ideas on barrel filling

    in Technique

    Posted

    i was pretty stoked. . .  i had the circulation loop going,  but stsrted with the transfer hose on a racking port and was gonna gravity fill. . .  i started one barrel and said screw that,  gonna take forever haha. 

    necessity is the mother of invention. 

     

    it worked great (and when i bought the fill nozzle,  i verified it could take a certain amount of back pressure, just to make sure) 

    Reporting for filling barrels

    in Federal Gov't

    Posted

    So I have tried searching around the TTB website, to no real avail. Aside from creating a bulk gauge worksheet for the transfer of spirits from storage tanks to barrels, does anyone know if there are additional forms/reports that are necessary when moving spirits to wood?

    As far as i understand, its going from storage to storage (as opposed to storage to processing)... so doesnt need to be identified on the monthly operations reports...

    Thoughts?

    Thanks much,

    D.

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