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Everyone recommends US FIP and theie product did look good at ADI this year but I think I am going to try my hand with all air pumps other than a 3hp centrfugial for CIP I picked up off ebay for $600 ( got a double diaphragm pump for moving spirits, https://store.tcwequipment.com/products/flojet-g70-explosion-proof-air-diaphragm-pump , and now am about to pull the trigger on a 2'' outlet double diaphragm pump like this one, http://www.ebay.com/itm/ARO-2-Cast-Iron-Santo-Pump-PD20A-ACP-AAA-B-/111513954800?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19f6bfe9f0 . Some people have indicated that thicker mashes may have trouble in air driven pumps but others have told me it will be fine with a 2'' outlet. It will require one large compressor but used I can find a 30-50hp one for a good price.

Petes a good guy to deal with, double diaphragm for the win!

We have a great little explosion proof ATEX rated alcohol pump for $379.00 It will move 5 gallons per minute. We don't have it on our web site yet, so if you are interested email paul@distillery-equipment.com and I will get right back to you, or you can call us at 417-778-6100. We have many other alcohol and mash pumps available.

We sell a little 5 GPM ATEX-rated, explosion-proof air diaphragm pump with Kalrez diaphragms for high-proof transfer. It's made by Flojet.

These look like a pretty nice option, what are the internals made out of? Anyone have any experience with these

where is it located?

what is the size?

man ways? and ports?

thanks

Joseph L. D.

This!

Yes, we had one about 2 years. Probably labeled about 50K bottles with it, front and back label sets. First 25K bottles labelled fine, the last 25K had incrementally worse problems. It's probably nearing the end of it's useful life, or at least needing a rebuild of rollers and guides.

The rubber rollers eventually get worn out and less effective. This leads to labels slipping and the back label applied inconsistently off-center. Primera has a handful of tricks the can suggest to offer some temporary fixes, but it continues to degrade in performance. Also the label sensor tab gets gummed up and requiring periodic cleaning, or it rips labels.

Of course it's not terribly expensive as far as equipment goes, so even if you have to throw it in the garbage after 25-50K bottles you can do the math yourself to see what it costs per label and if that's worth it to you. We do like the convenience of the electric motor compared to a fully manual system like Race.

Great review thanks, most reviews I found seemed to hint that it had a limited lifespan but it sure does look a lot more convenient to use than the race like you said.

Anyone here had their AP362 for a few years now yet? interested in how these things see if these things hold up? Not much to break on the Race Razor.

Ahhh that makes sense.

Ever noticed any discoloration since the botanicals are so close to the condenser left turn? Or is there no real way for the vapors to bleed color into the distillate.

You can also consider finding a location elsewhere that is cheap to store barrels. I believe it has to be within 10 miles from the DSP though.

Send some to me too mike!

TySp22@gmail.com

Is there anyone who would be willing to share there steam and or cooling line drawings?

Tysp22@Gmail.com

You would definitely need some sort of cooling with a ferm that large or the temp will get away from you is what I have been reading. Also when the fermentation was done would you run it all in one day with 4 runs if so that would be a long day for sure. Having only one ferm would also limit you on the variety of products you could produce whereas having 2-4 gives you a lot of possibilities. Also you have to consider that something could happen to your fermenter that puts it out of commission for a few days or longer and if you only have one ferm, well you're shit out of and luck scrambling for a new one. Last but not least you just look more professional from a customer's standpoint who is taking a tour in my opinion.

I would get two 600 gals, solves most all the problems. keep in mind you cant fill the ferms to the brim (or the still for that matter) because of foaming. Anti-foams knock this down considerably but I am not sure to the extent, someone might be able to give us an answer here. I am also fairly sure if you're trying to achieve certain certifications like kosher antifoams might not be allowed.

I am starting off with a 1000L Still and

2x 2450L Stainless Jacketed CIP Ferms

1x 2000L Mashtank

Again I have no actual experience but I am just finishing up the research phase of this venture and am hoping to lend some help in exchange for all the help I received on this site.

If your tanks are jacketed pump water through them like everyone is saying, You can also consider wrapping some sort of insulation around the tanks to retain the natural heat that is created during fermentation orrrr you could try to get something like a beefy electric blanket you wrap around the outside of the tank if they are not too large. you shouldnt need to keep the room at 72, any large fermentation will produce a good amount of its own heat.

I have just started researching pumps and after talking with several distillers it seems the compressed air is the way to go. I will need a pump for moving mash from my 500g fermenters to the still as well as a pump to move various high proof alcohols.

Does anyone have any recommendations as to what size compressor would be needed to handle this kind of load and what pumps would be good to have for moving mash and high proof alcohols

http://www.yamadapump.com/ndp-series/NDP-15/ - this is one that Ive seen people say is good for high proofs.

Thanks

I was told air is the way to go, I am looking into this now myself. Not exactly sure how this is setup or what equipment I would need though but air eliminates the need for explosion proof pumps and I got the impression that it would be cheaper. Not sure what some of the drawbacks to using air are though.

He's been doing some consultation for me, and ill be buying some fermenters from him in just a bit. I like his mash tun design with 2 separate jackets for heating/cooling. Anyhow, if you have any questions, you should give him a call so he can answer them. He has equipment in service, and I'm sure can provide references. Also is an active member of this forum. He just doesn't seem to be the type to self promote at every hat drop. Modest I think they call it. Dudes no dumbass, give him a call and you'll see. Scrounge

Fair enough, I will give him a call. Separate jackets is a good idea, a lot easier on the metal without the temperature fluctuations. Thanks for the recommendation.

Check out corsondistilling.com. Super nice guy, does what he says he does.

Do you know anyone who uses his products. Looks like hes just getting started which worries me a little.

try this again

http://adiforums.com/index.php?showtopic=5459

Thanks, that one worked. We are looking for all copper construction however.

http://http://adiforums.com/index.php?showtopic=5459

Could be me but i cant get it open

They are ALL hard to come by. Used doesn't necessarily mean cheaper. It may be quicker to order new then to wait for one of these brand stills to show up on the used market in that size. Most of the big boys are only 10-14 months out! Haha

Good luck.

Yes they are thats why we are testing the used market currently, we have one on order but are hoping to get a 2nd sooner.

We are in the market for a 250 gallon Vendome, Carl, or Kothe (would also consider a forsyth but im sure those are hard to come by). We would consider anything as small as 150 and as large as 500.

Looking to purchase by february.

Thanks

add me to the list of price and photos tysp22@gmail.com

PM with price and info please.

Check out Copper Fox for sure, much better atmosphere.

Mike, what type of external heat exchanger would you recommend for a 2000l mash tun? And are these typically cooled by water or glycol?

He recommends a mash exchanger that trident stills offers.