Hudson bay distillers

violent blue where in southern alberta are you located

+1 on the zero milk tanks , we have 2 -600 gallon ones and 1-300 gallon one , they are jacketed and built like tanks well worth the money . the place we bought them from had the 600 gallon tanks stacked much like a barrel rack , didnt have room on trailer to buy the rack but wish i did . tim

just curious ,if you dont use any malted grain or any commercial enzymes how do you plan on converting your starch to sugar . tim

we would like to thank all the members of the ADI forum for all the help and advice shared with us , our new facility is now complete and our provincial license is here . big day for us to be at this point , thanks again to all that have helped us get here . Tim, Kim, Cavrin hudson bay distillers inc

here is an update , after getting some accurate information from the CFIA we learned that the information fed to us by the inspector was completely false . so im sorry for reporting fake news . the bottom line is if a manufacturer wants to sterilise there bottles before filling there more than welcome to , but there is no requirement to do so . the CFIA law that was quoted to us was written for restaurants not for distilleries . the main reason that sterilisation of bottles and the ban on the use of gns is not a law and never will be is that most of the alcohol sold in the province is not manufactured here . there fore to impose such on Saskatchewan manufacturers yet import and sell product from other jurisdictions that do not have these restrictions cant be done . if a food safety issue is covered by a law to protect the public from consuming dangerous and or tainted product then it covers all product sold to the public in that jurisdiction not just the product manufactured in that jurisdiction . so chalk one up to false inaccurate information . tim

where are you from

silk i agree completely but there not much a guy can do about it , there isnt site specific methods so we get lumped into the entire food industry . and with that the rule states that anything that comes into contact with a food product has to be sterilised . glenlyon , a real drag is a understatement automation is the only way that i can see , but thats big horny money . like i said earlier it will be interesting to see how the big operators that can afford lawyers handle this . here is another angle , if we in saskatchewan as manufactures have to pre wash our glass with some thing other than rinsed with spirits wouldnt that mean that products imported and sold in the province would also have to do the same , this could be a big ole can of worms .

the ban on gns is obvious good news . the need to sterilise bottles is a no brainer to me , no one knows whats crawling around the buildings new bottles are stored before they are delivered . as i mentioned above the method of sterilisation should be site specific , obviously distilleries have the ability to rinse bottles with spirit as a butcher shop doesnt . personally i think rinsing bottles with spirit is totally good enough but i dont get to make any rules . tim

i dont believe that anyone has disproved the effectiveness of rinsing with spirits , it is just not an approved method according to the CFIA , or the health inspectors . mainly because food plants and restaurants cant do it . requesting clean bottles is a good thing , how they are cleaned should be site specific imo. its my understanding they have had problems with dirty bottles so there answer is a blanket policy to insure bottles are sterilised . and the policy they use is the same one used for a distillery , meat plant , restaurant ect ect . glenlyon this may not be a BC thing its the saskatchewan goverment that is asking for this not the federal . you may be safe for our new facility to be in compliance it wont effect us much . our plan of attack is a 3 bay stainless sink , first wash bottles in hot citric acid solution , second rinse with clean water , third rinse with spirit to get rid of any water , then bottle . is this a pain in the ass for sure but its only way we can see to do it . im not sure how this will effect the big outfits but im guessing negatively . there are only 7 legal distillery in the province with 35 in the process of getting going . however there is one very large brewery im very curious to see how they plan on sterilising there beer cans before there filled . at the moment they use a post caning pasteurisation method , filled ,canned then pasteurised with finished product already in it . that may change who knows . tim

there line of thinking is that distilleries are considered a food plant and under the laws governing food plants anything that touches the product has to be sterilised , and rinsing with spirits is not considered a approved sterilisation method by the CFIA . tim

yes im kidding lol .

yesterday we had our final government inspection and gained some info that i have to share . first off it is now illegal for craft distillers to purchase or use gns in the province of saskatchewan . this is great news for us as we are grain to glass operation . also it is no longer acceptable to sterilise bottles with the product that your bottling or to use a leave in sanitising agent , all bottles must be washed sterilised and rinsed . both good news for the craft industry in the province . tim

give him a bottle of free foreshots . tell him its special very powerful stuff . tim

i should have said in the wort and spent grain .

will mytotoxins still be present after passing thru the distilation process or is this something that will only be in the wort . tim

paul how strong citric acid do you suggest tim

makes sense . this one is curved . im thinking we will bolt a half pipe at the bottom to catch grain , or collect right into a cart that can be moved with the forklift .

by the way what does dsm stand for

thanks joe will definitely take you up on the offer when the time comes . tim

just a heads up on buying food grade barrels off of kijji . first thing is make sure there HDPE plastic , and make sure that you know exactly what was in it . dont believe what the guy thats selling them is telling you he probably doesnt know or is just a straight up liar . if you are buying barrels from the edmonton area beware some of them are crap , we bought oak barrels from edmonton and when they got here they had no corks and were full of dead mice and mice shit . best source of new HDPE barrels is U line in edmonton ....used barrels are best bought from the guy that dumped them . not from some one that is peddling them on kijji, tim

my suggestion is ss beer kegs there cheep easy to sanitise , easy to lift and handle , easy to seal with 2 inch triclamp cap and clamp . win win tim

indy that may be just a term that producers around here use . the actual term field refers to grain that is strait off the combine not cleaned or altered . there are different varieties of barley grown around here some are field feed barley grown for cattle/hog feed . some are malt barley varieties grown for the local malt plant . interesting to note not all malt barley grown for the malt plant is accepted as malt quality barley . all malt grown for the malt plant must be a malt variety and then pass there tests to be accepted as malt , germination and protein , nitrogen content ect..... . also all malt barley is grown on contract . so if a farmer contracts a crop for 20 bushels per seeded acre and its a good year and he yields 25 or 30 bushels a acre they are stuck with the option of selling the surplus as feed barley to cattle/hog producers or to sell it as unmalted malt barley . disclaimer ....im not a farmer nor do i claim to understand the science of grain marketing i just know what producers try to teach me , tim

i know nothing about your question im jus bored so let me tell you a story i heard the other day . a fella i ran into the other day spent 20 years in a coca cola bottling plant . while discussing bottling at 45 % vs chill filtering he told me about cream soda . cream soda used to be clear but they were having problems with clarity post bottling . there solution was to add pink colouring , now cream soda is pink . so im thinking if that may work for your product . just a thought lol tim

it all depends if your talking about field feed barley , malted malt barley , or un malted malt barley . field feed barley is the poorest choice in my opinion . malted malt barley is best choice but is 32 bucks a bushel . un malted malt barley is a top choice at around 4 to 5 bucks a bushel but you need liquid enzyme to convert it . liquid enzymes have always been cheep insurance . tim

pretty cool looking equipment did you build the still yourself . tim