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  1. Thatch
    What I sent is commentary from the NFPA. Although commentary is not code it is a guideline to interpreting code. I cannot imagine any conflict of interests overcoming what is in black and white. Stick to your guns and ask for a second opinion.
  2. Thatch
    Like he said. I believe to comply with the regulations you will have to say something like: Colored and flavored with wood staves Stored not less than (amount of time you aged in the barrel) in reused cooperage. (barrels, oak barrels, etc)
  3. Thatch
    Perhaps you missed my last response. There is no minimum. However, if you age your spirits for one second, you must say one second on your label.
  4. Thatch
    All I can say is we are not being held to this standard. I'm not sure what the definition of moderate to substantial is, his interpretation would seem to be the key. But, given the fact that you would not be exceeding the MAQ's in either your distillery nor your control areas it would not seem that this is moderate to substantial. 10,000 gallons is moderate to substantial, 960 is a drop in the bucket. I did a quick check on the NFPA definition of moderate and substantial but could find nothing in regard to quantity. I would think that next step would be to get an interpretation from the NFPA. Hopefully your fire services contractor will read the last thing I sent you closely because it is exactly what you want to do.
  5. Thatch
    Nope WHISKY DISTILLED FROM BOURBON MASH¹ Whisky produced in the U.S. at not exceeding 80% alcohol by volume (160 proof) from a fermented mash of not less than 51 percent corn and stored in used oak containers LIGHT WHISKY¹ Whisky produced in the U.S. at more than 80% alcohol by volume (160 proof) [but less than 95% alcohol by volume (190 proof)] and stored in used or uncharred new oak containers
  6. Thatch
    I like you logic but I'm not sure about your chemistry. Epsom salt is hydrated magnesium sulfate, a chemical identity that the other salts do not share. Table salt, kosher salt and sea salt are all at least 97.5 percent sodium chloride, though sea salt also contains minerals like iodine, magnesium and potassium. Given the above fact, wouldn't table salt be better based on your statement of using sodium?
  7. Thatch
    You're doing the right thing. From a recent post from Southernhighlander "If you put 25% to 80% low wines in there you have a much bigger bomb." Without discussing whose equipment we use, we come of at 95% consistently but our low wines never exceed 35%
  8. Thatch
    The building code seems to indicate the entire building having sprinklers being what is necessary to double your MAQ. Are they really making you sprinkle each control area individually to go from 120 to 240?
  9. Thatch
    The attached file spells it out pretty clearly. One hour fire protection between control areas and between your F-1 space and a control area. 201903050718.pdf
  10. Thatch
    You might want to read the thread again. I never asked you any question that I am aware of.
  11. Thatch
    I'm not sure why you would think this. My position all along has simply been that a code review should be done before any money has been spent. I have provided many reasons why it is prudent to do so and why an aboveground tank may not be a simple solution.
  12. Thatch
    The OP was trying to avoid H classification. You proposed this as a simple solution to stay with F-1. I will stick to my original post which said don't buy anything before you do a code review. There are setbacks from both property lines and buildings called out in Chapter 57 You said this was simple. Perhaps in Missouri it is but if you are in California the piping that was discussed might have to be earthquake proof depending on jurisdictions. NFPA 30 will certainly come into play if you are having a tank built for you. Your AHJ might even require a UL 2085 tank rather than the UL142 I will also add that you need to consult with your insurance company before adding a tank. Some insurance companies will require a concrete base rather than the typical metal. Their requirements with regard to setbacks may be more stringent than the AHJ's The link is to a document from a tank manufacturer in Oregon that may be helpful to anyone considering purchasing an outdoor tank. http://www.eagletanks.com/guide/Fuel Tank Buying Guide.pdf
  13. Thatch
    Respectfully disagree. The UL142 tanks are not the issue, they are built to NFPA 30 specs. But, the placement of the tanks are up to the AHJ and from what I can see many States and cities seem to have their own take on Chapter 57. A code review prior to purchase just make sense.
  14. Thatch
    I'm no expert but the 2015 - International Fire Code Chapter 57 does not make it sound that simple. Before you rush out and buy your tank and TTB approved locks it might be prudent to have your AHJ do a code review on this document. They would probably need to do a code review on the tank construction being in compliance with NFPA 30 as well.
  15. Thatch
    Of course this is all up to your AHJ. Just in case your want to take a look at all the things you need to consider, the link provided might bring a few additional things to mind. https://www.auroragov.org/UserFiles/Servers/Server_1881137/File/Business Services/Building/Building and Fire/Fire - Life Safety/013111/010440.pdf
  16. Thatch
    Might be a math error here
  17. Thatch
    If you are talking about control areas, then chain link won't do it. You must have a fire resistant wall that would contain any fire to that room for a specific period of time. Is your goal to avoid an H-3 classification?
  18. Thatch
    From a recent post I made. Both links are good. Don't know about the specific dates but in the current regs fire is exempt but building is not and the toughest test is what you have to meet. The link provided does a pretty good job of explaining. http://www.klausbruckner.com/blog/distillery-storage-dilemmas/ As bluefish says, the barrels count toward your MAQ. If you are shooting for F-1, you are limited to 120 gallons un-sprinkled and 240 sprinkled. Beyond that you classified as hazardous. Another good explanation is from Scott Moore of Dalkita. It's about an hour long https://americancraftspirits.org/courses/code-breaking-barrels-revealing-the-mysteries-of-barrel-storage-in-building-and-fire-codes/
  19. Thatch
    Don't know about the specific dates but in the current regs fire is exempt but building is not and the toughest test is what you have to meet. The link provided does a pretty good job of explaining. http://www.klausbruckner.com/blog/distillery-storage-dilemmas/ As bluefish says, the barrels count toward your MAQ. If you are shooting for F-1, you are limited to 120 gallons un-sprinkled and 240 sprinkled. Beyond that you classified as hazardous. Another good explanation is from Scott Moore of Dalkita. It's about an hour long https://americancraftspirits.org/courses/code-breaking-barrels-revealing-the-mysteries-of-barrel-storage-in-building-and-fire-codes/
  20. Thatch
    Global had something that might be what you need. https://www.globalindustrial.com/g/material-handling/drum-barrel/drum-lifters/fork-truck-drum-carrier-rotator
  21. Thatch
    Sorry OP, Thanks Rum
  22. Thatch
    Your story is amazing and you never even mentioned using a Groupon to bring people in. Do you do any other advertising beyond what you have already mentioned?
  23. Thatch
    What's your secret? How do you get 180 people to you facility on a Saturday (or 126 during the week)? Since you are in the resort area of Siesta Key, is this only in season? How large a group do you allow? How far apart do you space tours? Do you register online?
  24. Thatch
    Non-working video link and broken .jpg above.
  25. Thatch
    Your link does not work and your .jpg can't be viewed.
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